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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:42 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:The "new" Leaf appears to use the entire midsection from the existing car, so any increase in size will have to be in the rear and/or nose.


I interpret the midsection is the most changed part of the car.
(ie new floor pan) ie need new crash testing
(new A pillars) ie need new crash testing
(new seating) ie need new crash testing
(probably newer, but thinner steel) ie need new crash testing

there probably are a multitude of changes that individually justify new crashing testing,
I would say the Nissan LEAF/ Toyota Prius are fairly stuck on wheelbase dimensions etc, the 'size' changes are due to optimization within the midsection.
yes, some increase in nose is today's automotive fashion as well, buts that just bumper bar air. (cheap, light, crash protection)

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:39 pm

I'm not sure they did change the A pillars. The camouflaged cars spotted used Leaf midsection body panels and windows, IIRC. I'm sure the instrument panel is different, but if Nissan was smart (and that is definitely up for debate at this point) they would have reused the seats and other interior bits that most people like. So the car may well have a pretty-much-leaf 1 midsection.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:22 am

TonyWilliams wrote:Delaying the 60kWh LEAF is not a smart move in my view.

I don't think they would do this if they had a choice. They'd do it because their 60 kWh battery is not ready.

As all things Nissan, and unlike the Chevy Bolt EV, the "60kWh" battery LEAF will likely not be 60kWh that are usable. Maybe 55kWh, which is about where the Tesla Model 3 base car will be.

I didn't know Bolt has a useable 60 kWh battery. Is this confirmed ?
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:28 am

OrientExpress wrote:
MSELeaf wrote: Oh, right: the reason I came to this topic. It is now being said that Nissan won't be delivering Leaf "2"s ordered in September until March of 2018. This is definitely NOT all right with me, as I have no desire to spend another Winter driving a car with 50-55 miles of Winter range. Is anyone else thinking about, er, Bolting from the Leaf 2 deal?


That is not an accurate statement. Cars will start to dribble in before the end of the year.


IMO, that was just one scenario to explain how lease extension and free 3 months work. Not a forecast on when the new cars will be delivered.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:52 am

evnow wrote:IMO, that was just one scenario to explain how lease extension and free 3 months work. Not a forecast on when the new cars will be delivered.


I agree, just like every other car launch, not all trims and options are always available initially, some can take up to a year to make it into production. The Volt's adaptive cruise control is a great example of this, after 2 years it is only now becoming available.

You may have to do the Tesla3 shuffle for a while as you wait for a new LEAF. I think if you are going to want an S, then you come to the front of the line. If you want the 300kWh SL version, you might have a wait.

So if you are extending your lease, you have the flexibility to tailor your lease termination to when your car is available. I'm also speculating that since the lease extensions are for 12 months, that the car would be shipping in all trims and configs in the next 12 months.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:09 pm

Since a fix for the Bolt seats is now available, and easy to implement, I may well lease a Bolt this Spring or Summer. If Nissan has any sense left, they will leak some critical Leaf specs like motor output and pack capacity(s) long before September, and will make it clear that orders will be fulfilled by this coming Christmas. Otherwise people will have little reason to wait into or past next Winter for a warmed-over Leaf.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:19 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Otherwise people will have little reason to wait into or past next Winter for a warmed-over Leaf.
Except possibly price (assuming the 40kWh is significantly cheaper than the Bolt EV) or maybe anti-GM bias. I think that is a real thing, especially the further west you go...
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:52 pm

jhm614 wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Otherwise people will have little reason to wait into or past next Winter for a warmed-over Leaf.
Except possibly price (assuming the 40kWh is significantly cheaper than the Bolt EV) or maybe anti-GM bias. I think that is a real thing, especially the further west you go...



Yup. But Bolt prices are already starting to fall. By September it will be harder to pass on the Bolt because the Leaf is a bit cheaper, unless you want to lease. That will remain the sticking point for me, but I suspect GMAC will be improving the lease deals as well. Also, my health is not good. I don't like the idea of not being able to buy a Bolt 39 months after I lease it, but the point may be moot, in my case. That also works against me waiting almost a year for delivery of a 2018 Leaf. I'm going to be starting a topic on this shortly, I think...
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:46 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Yup. But Bolt prices are already starting to fall. By September it will be harder to pass on the Bolt because the Leaf is a bit cheaper, unless you want to lease. That will remain the sticking point for me, but I suspect GMAC will be improving the lease deals as well. Also, my health is not good. I don't like the idea of not being able to buy a Bolt 39 months after I lease it, but the point may be moot, in my case. That also works against me waiting almost a year for delivery of a 2018 Leaf. I'm going to be starting a topic on this shortly, I think...
What's your thoughts on a Model 3 with driverless?

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:31 pm

I think that those who got early reservations on the Model 3 may love it. They may also wish they'd gotten later production cars. I really don't know.
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