tattoogunman wrote: DaveinOlyWA wrote:
It won't be 150 miles with the heater running in cold weather even when new. Figure 120-130 miles in Winter.
Had a Bolter who could only get like 170ish miles in OR which gives you an idea of how much of an impact rain (not so much cold) and climate controls can be.
On another note; My LEAF would be as low as 90 miles on crappy days which means standing water and heavy rain but easily doing 115 and not counting today, we have not had a single day of decent weather. I expect 125 will not be a challenge come Summer.
What does this mean? Your new 150 mile EV could easily not make 100 miles in Winter.
I would be interested to know exactly how that Bolt owner was driving and using their car to only be getting 170 miles. I've been following the Bolt and numerous owners via the net (Youtube, discussion boards, etc.) and everyone seems to consistently be getting the 250+ and there are some people who have reported slightly over 300 miles with very conservative driving and heavy regen use.
From the Bolt thread, describing the results from the Ampera-E's range calculator:
. . . Range results are as follows:
Temperature (HVAC OFF / ON)
-20°C: 432 km / 242 km (268 miles/150 miles)
-10°C: 439 km / 256 km (273 miles/159 miles)
0°C: 473 km / 316 km (293 miles/197 miles)
10°C: 512 km / 412 km (318 miles/256 miles)
20°C: 527 km / 472 km (327 miles/293 miles)
30°C: 515 km / 422 km (320 miles/252 miles)
40°C: 502 km / 368 km (312 miles/229 miles)
Between the highest result of 527 km (~327 miles) at 20°C and the lowest at 432 km (~269 miles) at -20°C we see some 18% range drop.
While, the use of heating at -20°C would eat 54% of range to 242 km (~150 miles), and that’s not end as there could be also stronger wind or other factors.
The very worst case scenario is -20°C and into the wind/aggressive driving, which decreases range to 253 km (157 miles) / 210 km (130 miles) depending on heating OFF/ ON. That’s up to around 60% less than normal.
Note the above ranges are at 'medium' speed. The calculator can be found at http://www.opel.de/fahrzeuge/ampera-e/uebersicht/partials/reichweite/reichweitensimulator.html
and you can also select 'High' or 'Very High' speeds. The 'High' cycle peaks out at just under 100km/62 mph, the Very High around 130 km/81 mph, and somewhere between the two or else Very High would probably best represent U.S. freeway cruising. Medium cycle seems to peak at about 80km/55 mph, with more accel/decel, and low is stop and go at a max. of 60 km/37 mph.
Very High @ 10deg. C (50 deg. F) with the heat on gives an estimated range of 281 km/ 174.5 mi., while high gives 393 km/244 mi. under the same conditions. @ 0 deg. C (32 deg. F), w/heat, High gives 319 km/198 mi., VH = 245 km/152 miles. Add the effect of wet roads, wind, hills and reserve to taste.