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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:16 pm

edatoakrun wrote:evnow, DaveinOlyWA, OrientExpress, SageBrush:

Not only are all your recent comments off-topic, you are bickering over long-term battery degradation of Gen one LEAFs, which it appears none of you (not having owned and driven a single LEAF since the introduction) are really informed to discuss, based on your own experience.

LOL. You do like flaunting your ignorance. Look at the "delivery date" of our first Leafs.

I suppose that's why the Gen one LEAF is the worlds best-selling BEV...?


Well, that is in spite of the poor battery of Leafs - not because of that. Its like how many cars/trucks GM sells, in spite of mediocre quality.

At least in the US, Leafs are selling for exactly the same reason GM/Ford sell cars. Leases are cheap. Infact you can go back and look at Leaf sales figures when the leases aren't highly subsidized.

I expect the Gen two LEAF to be the world's best-selling BEV, in 2018.


We'll come back to this at the end of 2018 ;)

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Horrible is an extreme term - but we've to accept Nissan's battery degradation didn't do EVs any favor. I look forward to tell-all books about how the Leaf 1 battery was accepted to be produced. For sure Nissan knew they will degrade in hot climate - yet Arizona was one of the first 5 states they were sold in. Mind boggling.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:01 pm

evnow wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:evnow, DaveinOlyWA, OrientExpress, SageBrush:

Not only are all your recent comments off-topic, you are bickering over long-term battery degradation of Gen one LEAFs, which it appears none of you (not having owned and driven a single LEAF since the introduction) are really informed to discuss, based on your own experience.

LOL. You do like flaunting your ignorance. Look at the "delivery date" of our first Leafs...

You're wrong, and STILL off-topic, BTW.

You, DaveinOlyWA, and (maybe) OrientExpress, seem to have misunderstood my comment you quoted above.

I know your delivery dates from your signatures, and also that you replaced your 2011 LEAFs years ago.

Since all of you (AFAIK) have not driven your 2011 LEAFs for many years, you can not observe their present battery capacity, and the Implausibility of current LBC data, as anyone who still has their 2011 with the OE battery is able to.

My OE pack performance, for example:

It was looking like my LEAF's OE battery's streak of over-100-mile trips using only capacity above the VLBW was probably over, but I picked up # thirty-three last week.

kWh use reports, ranked from LEAST to most credible:

8/29/17

LBC report: 12 kWh used, 104.2 miles (accurate odometer) 8.7 m/kWh!!! Why oh why does anyone take LBC data seriously?

8.1 m/kWh shown on the Nav screen.

Carwings/Nissan connect: 12.9 kWh 101.7 miles (~2.5% under-report) 7.9 m/kWh (identical to dash m/kWh display) .

Actual: 14.4 kWh (est.) 104.2 miles (odometer) ~7.3 m/kWh (est.)

Not too bad, for a LEAF pack with ~55k miles, after seven North Valley hot Summers, and due to lose capacity bar # nine, any day now.

Vacaville to Orland CA, and I didn't even ever see the VLBW, arriving with the LBC reporting 2.2 kWh remaining on arrival, so I expect I would probably have seen the turtle after another 2.2 to 2.4 actual kWh use, a few miles past 120, had I continued on at about the same speed....

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="evnow"

(edatoakrun)

I expect the Gen two LEAF to be the world's best-selling BEV, in 2018.

...We'll come back to this at the end of 2018...

You finally said something on-topic!

That makes my day...
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:43 pm

ooohhhh, "thats" what you meant! Clear as mud.

oh well, no matter. I agree that the LEAF will be popular mostly because its the closest to main stream pricing. As far as how the pack fares? We shall see! With a warranty in place, its not a major concern for me.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:41 pm

Another spy shot has surfaced. Note the larger cargo area and compact nose, allowing for a much larger interior generally.










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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:46 pm

Now that's funny! And the Pacer was ahead of it's time... If it had an electric motor it would fit right into the (looks) lineup of most of today's EVs.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:31 am

Here's the one day left video, more pro-pilot. Tonight's the night!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFYS-ZmOP84
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:39 am

jhm614 wrote:Here's the one day left video, more pro-pilot. Tonight's the night!


The fact that the final 2 videos of the countdown seem to focus on ProPilot is disheartening. I had a feeling that Nissan would be pushing ProPilot as the feature that sets it apart from the Bolt. Which implies that they cannot touch it on range.

Out of curiosity, how many plan on watching the presentation live? I probably will. The timing works out well - the kids' bedtime is 8, and the presentation starts at 8:30 EDT.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:14 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
jhm614 wrote:Here's the one day left video, more pro-pilot. Tonight's the night!


The fact that the final 2 videos of the countdown seem to focus on ProPilot is disheartening. I had a feeling that Nissan would be pushing ProPilot as the feature that sets it apart from the Bolt. Which implies that they cannot touch it on range.

Out of curiosity, how many plan on watching the presentation live? I probably will. The timing works out well - the kids' bedtime is 8, and the presentation starts at 8:30 EDT.


Most likely I will. I am very much looking forward to seeing more info about the car and roll out plans :D
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:25 am

I doubt I watch it live. I can let others spend their time on it and read an article summarizing later :0

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:29 am

lorenfb wrote:Really surprised you bought a used Leaf, especially after joining this forum and doing "due diligence" prior to your
purchase, e.g. even utilizing LeafSpy. Implicit in your posts is that you view your Leaf, i.e. > 3yrs old, purchased
for less than $8K, with near new battery capacity (59 - 61 Ahrs), and no necessary repairs, as a marginal purchase.
Sorry for your naivety and misfortune.


So far, no misfortune at all -- quite the contrary. We love our LEAF and I remain reasonably confident that I will not have future regrets.
I have not been paraphrasing my ownership when I criticize LEAF battery technology and the corporation. However, consider the particulars of my positive experience:

I learned enough to buy an usually healthy battery -- without doubt an outlier in both battery and owner.
I baby the car
It has never lived in a warm, let alone hot, environment
We use it for in-town errands
I paid $6,300 before shipping and taxes, after tax credit
I came to the table realizing that Nissan Corporate would likely not support me in the future
I will not suffer financial hardship if the car goes to the junk-yard today

In short, I recognize that the car is hobbled but it performs admirably the little I ask of it for a great price. But my anecdote is so far away from average or even 2 SD that it is irrelevant to the discussion. I frame my comments thinking of the group that bought the car for $25-$30k for daily duties up to 75 miles per charge.

And LEAF the car aside, Nissan Corporate stinks in their EV customer support (not including the last 12 months in the run up to the LEAF2 unveiling.)
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