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DNAinaGoodWay
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:03 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
60 kWh, but with .2 Cd, so ~300 mile EPA, <6 sec 0-60, lots of power, all for less than $35k before credits (if any), oh, and Tesla SC access. Heck the port hatch is big enough to cover CHAdeMO, CCS, and Tesla ports. An onboard toaster and coffee maker and should also come in a van model, with an expandable roof and seats that convert into a double bed. Also vehicle to home capability to run the house in an outage. And a sunroof.


Oh, come on. A sunroof?!?


Yes! And a hot tub, with a wine fridge, LCD TV, and something that hasn't been invented yet.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 Ahr
@ 29 months, 29k, 286 GID, 60.88 Ahr
@ 31 months, 30.3k, 274 GID, 58.39 Ahr

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OrientExpress
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:17 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Yes! And a hot tub, with a wine fridge, LCD TV, and something that hasn't been invented yet.


Nissan is working on a HTTM (hot tub time machine) to bring the future back to today! 8-) The fridge and TV are actually available in Japan today.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:33 pm

42kWh and 60kWh battery options

150 mi and 240 mi range options

at least a 100,000 mi / 8 year, 70% battery capacity warranty

Better styling - at least in the 3/4 panels and rear end.

To keep me as a customer, I want at least the 42kWh battery, the capacity warranty, and a better exterior design. (And I wouldn't mind a sunroof. Did ya see that is an option on the Ioniq??)
2011 Brilliant Silver SL - 105,000 gasoline free miles so far.
4BL: 06/29/13 @ 27 months, 43,520 miles, 42.56 Ahr. New 12 bar battery: 09/09/13
4BLx2:12/31/16 @ 69 months, 99,475 miles, 42.99 Ahr.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:38 am

If Leaf 2 was the ESFLOW it would probably keep me as a customer. I'm bored with current and immediate future EV offerings below 40k. I did my time in a Leaf, give me something I can really enjoy now.
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-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:41 am

My expectations (i.e. what I expect Nissan to deliver, based on previous statements/hints/leaks/etc):

~40kWh / ~60kWh battery options
More mainstream styling
Same Tall Hatchback / Crossover form factor (maybe even larger than today's Leaf)
~100kW motor
ProPilot (I suspect Nissan will try to sell this as the main differentiator between it and the Bolt, not performance or range)
NO TMS
Terrible built-in Nav
Soon-to-be-obsolete-again 3G Modem
Industry-lagging 6.0kW charger
CHAdeMO QC
Price ranging $35k-43k

What it would take for me to remain a Nissan customer:
200+ miles EPA range
8yr / 100k mile >= 70% capacity warranty
120+kW motor
Fun to drive (highly subjective, of course. The current Leaf is a bit too cushy for my taste)
Competitive with other options (Bolt, Model 3, etc)

Clearly my minimum bar for Nissan is somewhat low. But that just means I'll consider the next Leaf. I will absolutely be cross-shopping it with the Bolt and Model 3. Heck, the VW IDS may be available by the time I'm looking to replace my 2012 Leaf.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:17 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Why the long delay? Did they screw something up and maybe still haven't solved it? Last minute changes to compete? Damn frustrating.


well what is your opinion of long? The 2018 had been slated for release anywhere from late Q2 to mid Q3 so in reality, only a few months off...


My predictions;

range options.
lower entry price point less than current S trim pricing
Charge speed options
larger passenger/cargo areas

Overall result; Top price/range EV option. 30 kwh stays but expect something in 40's to be the sweet spot
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:14 pm

If they don't come with a 200+ mile battery, why bother...........

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:30 pm

KK6PD wrote:If they don't come with a 200+ mile battery, why bother...........


Can you talk a little bit more about why a 200+ battery is so important, and not the option of a 150 mile or a 200+ mile battery?

What would be more preferable, an under $30K 150 mile car or a $36K 215 mile car?
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:42 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
KK6PD wrote:If they don't come with a 200+ mile battery, why bother...........


Can you talk a little bit more about why a 200+ battery is so important, and not the option of a 150 mile or a 200+ mile battery?

What would be more preferable, an under $30K 150 mile car or a $36K 215 mile car?


Personally - my 2015 LEAF gives me maybe 35-45 miles of total range in the winter, on cold (0 degrees F), snowy days when using the heater modestly. I'm afraid to put snow tires on my LEAF for fear of losing even more range. I need all the battery I can get just to make this car work year around. I'm sure others are in the same boat.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:56 pm

ampitupco wrote:Personally - my 2015 LEAF gives me maybe 35-45 miles of total range in the winter, on cold (0 degrees F), snowy days when using the heater modestly. I'm afraid to put snow tires on my LEAF for fear of losing even more range. I need all the battery I can get just to make this car work year around. I'm sure others are in the same boat.


I take it then in your situation, you are willing to spend an additional $5~6K for the extra 50 miles of range?
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