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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:11 am

Will be interesting to see what propilot can do. Absent that, and ignoring how ugly the bolt is, it clearly a better car: much better range, much better power. So to compete, the leaf will need a trump card with its propilot or end up coming out much cheaper.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:38 am

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:...ignoring how ugly the bolt is, it clearly a better car...

Putting a large battery pack in a car that is not only "ugly", but also cheaply made and overpriced like the Bolt, does not make it a "better car".

I consider the Gen one LEAF at the current prices offered to be a "better car" than the Bolt, and despite being a very old design, it continues to outsell the Bolt by two-to-one worldwide.

I expect the Gen two LEAF to be much improved, and to compare much "better", not only to the Bolt, but also to the other BEVS soon to be available that are "better cars" than the Bolt.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:34 am

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:Will be interesting to see what propilot can do. Absent that, and ignoring how ugly the bolt is, it clearly a better car: much better range, much better power. So to compete, the leaf will need a trump card with its propilot or end up coming out much cheaper.

There is more to a car than range & power. If it was a "better car" - it would be selling much better.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:44 am

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Chevy has a lease problem - since they won't pass on entire $7.5k tax credit. Bolt is truly a story of a car that LG did their part well, but GM goofed up (whats new ?).
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:27 pm

Decent Bolt lease deals have been popping up here:
http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2016/07/curr ... d-evs.html

Still got a ways to go, but I'm hopeful that by December they'll be plentiful.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:55 pm

Regarding the latest Leaf specs: Nissan hasn't confirmed them, neither they have denied these specs. I wrote yesterday to them and they gave an answer that they will provide more updates in few weeks.

https://www.torquenews.com/1/nissan-wil ... ming-weeks

It will be interesting to see what the actual numbers will look like.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:16 pm

Arman, one of the essential tools for a journalist is a spell checker. Please use you specks when you quote the specs! :D
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:37 pm

FWIW, I'm now seeing Bolts pretty much every day, often more than one. I saw 6 yesterday evening during about 15 minutes of the evening commute, and the previous day saw two parked within a block of each other. I also saw three Primes during the same 15 minute period, so they at least are starting to appear in numbers more representative of their sales, also two Clarity FCEVs plus the usual suspects (LEAF / Volt1 / Volt 2 / PiP / Fusion & C-Max Energi / Model S / Model X / 500e). e-Golfs are quite common as well, although I didn't see any during that period (but did earlier that day). PEVs remain a small % of cars, but at least here they're getting to be a pretty decent-sized minority.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:01 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:Will be interesting to see what propilot can do. Absent that, and ignoring how ugly the bolt is, it clearly a better car: much better range, much better power. So to compete, the leaf will need a trump card with its propilot or end up coming out much cheaper.
"much better power" -- motor output power depends on the input power received from the inverter-controller. And on the battery output power available. So if bolt is saying that their motor has X amount of power, it does not mean that you will get X power out of the motor.

Same with Torque. The Bolt motor is high-torque. But then it all depends on the reduction ratio of the drive. If the reduction ratio is only 5:1, you will not see much of that high torque applied to the wheels.

In any case, GM is losing a lot of money for each Bolt sold. It is not a volume production car because GM cannot afford it. It is just there to say "me too" and steal the limelight from the T3 and NL2 by being there first.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:24 pm

GRA wrote:FWIW, I'm now seeing Bolts pretty much every day, often more than one.


I'm see a lot more now as well. I rode in one yesterday. It's smaller than the LEAF. I wanted to like it.....
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