DaveinOlyWA
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:22 am

MSELeaf wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
MSELeaf wrote:
Where did you hear this information from? If this is true, then I'll be in a real pickle since my 30,000 mile 2014 SV is getting dicey with winter range (80% SOH), the IONIQ will likely be difficult to get on the East Coast, and Chevy insists on less than favorable leases for the Bolt.


Ioniq is supposedly available by order to ALL 50 states... Considering the random issues with battery degradation that may or may not be tied to time on dealer lots, I kinda wishing Nissan was doing the same thing. I order it, they build it, I pick it up 2 weeks later...


Hopefully Hyundai makes their leases reasonable so it can be a good alternative option. I wish I knew more about the degradation tied to sitting on a dealer lot (and LEAFSpy) before I got my April 2014 manufactured SV in August 2014 since it was at 92% SOH when I got LEAFSpy in September 2014 and lost the 1st bar at 20,000 miles.


I guess we all want to know but the evidence is PILING UP! Do a search. there is a guy who bought a LEAF in AUGUST last year from San Diego. dk how much time on the lot but after 4,000 miles he has lost his first capacity bar. So i am guessing, it was there 2+ months stored under worst possible conditions.

on the flipside; I got an S30 on Nov 10th. I have 70-80 QCs, have heated my pack up over 122º and will cross 9,000 miles sometime this weekend, Monday at the latest. My battery stats have not dropped a single digit since I got it. But the S30 was only a dream until Mid October so my car's time on the lot? probably less than 2 weeks.

Granted, I don't live in the south and despite it being near 80º the day I picked up the car, the weather has been complete sh** ever since. Coldest Winter in 40+ years and likely to be the wettest as well...

so anecdotal at best.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles. 2016 S30; 16,015 miles. 363 GIDs, Ahr 81.90, Hx; 98.25% kwh 28.1 QCs 141, L2's 170
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LeftieBiker
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:14 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
MSELeaf wrote: Oh, right: the reason I came to this topic. It is now being said that Nissan won't be delivering Leaf "2"s ordered in September until March of 2018. This is definitely NOT all right with me, as I have no desire to spend another Winter driving a car with 50-55 miles of Winter range. Is anyone else thinking about, er, Bolting from the Leaf 2 deal?


That is not an accurate statement. Cars will start to dribble in before the end of the year.


Here is a link. Look for tommy382's post.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=23605&=491537#p491537
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:16 pm

The link goes to the beginning of the topic, so here is a quote of tommy382:

The 3 free months sound too good to be true so I had to call and talk to couple of reps (including one from the leasing department) to be sure. I pretty much double-checked the following info w/ the reps and they all agreed w/ me. Hope this info helps you w/ similar situation.

1. Your 3 months credit will be applied right away - first 3 months after the original lease expiration date
2. If you terminate your lease extension before the 6 months period, you'll have to pay the 3 months credit back. This doesn't apply if you terminate your lease to get the new 2018 LEAF lease. If you terminate your lease to get a new leaf lease, you don't have to pay back the 3 months credit even if you haven't keep your extension lease for 6 or more months.

Concrete example:
A. My 2015 LEAF lease ends July 2017
B. My lease allowable millage is 18k miles / year
C. My lease payment is $370/month

With the lease extension offer, the following can happen:
i. My August, September, and October payments are $0
ii. I can pre-lease the 2018 LEAF in September 2017, vehicle will be delivered in March 2018.
iii. I am allowed 1500 miles per month (because of my 18k/year original lease)
iv. If I don't like the new 2018 LEAF pricing or for whatever reason, I can return the vehicle in January 2018 "no questions asked". This implies that I only need to pay for 3 months: Nov, Dec, and Jan and got Aug, Sep, and Oct for free (a $1110 saving)
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Firetruck41
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:40 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:


That is not an accurate statement. Cars will start to dribble in before the end of the year.


Here is a link. Look for tommy382's post.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=23605&=491537#p491537

He was talking to someone in the lease department, maybe at a dealer. Suffice it to say, they have no clue when any new car is coming, much less the 2018 Leaf. I doubt anyone at the dealer level, or even outside the "upper management" of Nissan corporate have specific knowledge about the release date.IOW, total bunk. I would not worry about (believe) what a dealer is saying at this point, or even any customer reps from corporate.
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rmay635703
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:03 pm

My guess is because ZEV and carb credits fall off at the start of 2018 Nissan probably wants to maximize sales of their Gen I as much as possible. (More bang for the buck of n MY2017 than 18)

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:54 pm

He was talking to someone in the lease department, maybe at a dealer. Suffice it to say, they have no clue when any new car is coming, much less the 2018 Leaf. I doubt anyone at the dealer level, or even outside the "upper management" of Nissan corporate have specific knowledge about the release date.IOW, total bunk. I would not worry about (believe) what a dealer is saying at this point, or even any customer reps from corporate.


Unfortunately the dealers were the only ones right about the 2017 Leaf - no real change. I'm not accepting March 2018 as a certain delivery time, but I am concerned now. I'm not ordering a new Leaf if it won't be delivered by 1/1/18 at the very latest. I'd probably try to get a cheap 2017 SV instead, if I don't love the Bolt. That wouldn't make me happy.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:38 pm

I can easily drive one of my ICE cars whenever I choose to do so, but I choose to drive my Leaf whenever remotely possible due to my hatred for gasoline and all of the troubles it causes. I agree that the range of the Leaf is anemic at best, but it was what was available at the time, but sadly Nissan has been slow to adopt changes in battery tech, and refusal to put in an active thermal management system. I can't stand Chevy, and as others have commented, I won't support them in production of gas guzzling SUVs by purchasing a new Chevy Bolt. (My Leaf I bolt used, so my support of Nissan Armada production is moot.) I doubt that the 2018 Leaf will be anything more than 40kWh, leaving the only valid option to me to be the Tesla Model 3, of which I have a reservation for. I would like to completely ditch ICE vehicles, but when we get our Model 3, we will be moved from being 1/3 BEV to ICE to being 2/3 BEV to ICE. Even if it sits unused for the most part, we likely will retain an ICE vehicle for when we need to venture out into really remote areas. (We like to camp where there is no power, etc.)

I hope for Nissan's benefit that the 40kWh battery is the new baseline and a 50kWh battery becomes the SV/SL trim at the minimum, but they likely will make the S be a 30kWh and the SV/SL be a 40kWh. Speaking of anemic, Honda's new BEV Clarity will have a range of 80 miles.. :roll:
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in late 2018.

rmay635703
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:35 pm

Durandal wrote:I hope for Nissan's benefit that the 40kWh battery is the new baseline and a 50kWh battery becomes the SV/SL trim at the minimum, but they likely will make the S be a 30kWh and the SV/SL be a 40kWh. Speaking of anemic, Honda's new BEV Clarity will have a range of 80 miles.. :roll:

If the rumor mill is true the new leaf will be larger, if that is the case expect a bigger battery just to keep range close.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:20 pm

The "new" Leaf appears to use the entire midsection from the existing car, so any increase in size will have to be in the rear and/or nose.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:21 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:any increase in size will have to be in the rear and/or nose.


Isn't that only natural with age?
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