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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:49 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
GRA wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:
What a wonderful attitude :roll:

OTOH, most human actions are based on short or long-term self-interest, so as long as it's not going to impact him or anyone he cares about, why should he care? The earth will survive regardless. It's certainly arguable that on the whole it might be better off without us, and given the unlikelihood that we're the only sentient species in the universe let alone a particularly critical one, our survival is probably of no importance (except to us). <snip>

How existentialist of you, Guy. <snip> But we digress. There's probably a better thread for discussing reasons for considering EVs. But I'm just following the conversation where I found it.

It was a slow summer day, so my mind strayed from purely factual matters. :D

GetOffYourGas wrote:I, on the other hand, believe in a much deeper reality. This physical world, while important, is only part of our reality. We are spiritual creatures as much as physical ones, and our souls matter too. And by "our", I am including every single person: you, me, NavyCuda, all 8 billion of us sharing the earth today. I have never met you guys and probably never will. But your physical and spiritual well being are just as important to me as my own. And so in support at least of the former, I will work to preserve our Earth's capability of supporting human life to the best of my ability. It saddens me that NavyCuda feels the way he does, but there's nothing I can do about it. <snip rest>

You are as entitled to your opinions, such as that we all have souls, as he is entitled to his, which I assume include the idea that such a thing as a soul doesn't exist (unless it's made by Kia), and that when we die, that's it.

Selling off-grid AE equipment way back when, while most of my customers were fairly normal, and were buying the stuff for a wide variety of social, political, economic or other reasons, I had the full spectrum from uber-left greens who wanted to disconnect to a greater or lesser extent from society and live in the back of beyond, to uber-right survivalists preparing for an NBC Armageddon or an anti-government rebellion, and everything in between. Rather than trying to impose my choices and values on them, I'd give them a variety of options and let them make up their own minds as to their priorities.

As for the reasons they wanted to go off-grid, most of them had already figured that out for themselves, and I didn't try to convince them that my reasons were better, only point out where they were factually wrong (such as the idea that going off-grid would save them money compared to paying a utility for electricity, when they already had the utility service right there). I have the same attitude towards EVs - I don't much care why someone chooses one (or decides they aren't for them), but I want to give them the best factual advice I can about their options (and if asked, what options I recommend for them), and let them make their own decision. And that's enough OT.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:08 pm

It's to bad I was hit twice in my 2015... Nissan won't take it on trade. :(

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:56 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Who would buy this over the Bolt ?


If it's much less expensive to buy or lease than the Bolt, has 140 miles of range, QC standard, and the interior comfort of the current Leaf with another 25+HP and better working headlights, then I will. Cheerfully. I have no desire to drive a fast but crude little box with terrible seats.


Much less to buy than the Bolt ? don't know about that.

Nissan should at least have the same 65-70 Kw DC charging that the Ioniq has and more at this stage of the game.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:02 pm

IssacZachary wrote:
And what's wrong with keeping some of the old Leaf in a Leaf? Car companies that go away from an original model's looks, even looks that nobody seems to likes, don't end up attracting the original enthusiasts.



A new model is what people were expecting and what I would expect when they say "new" .

And it is sad that they have no dedicated EV platform and still continue to build the Leaf like an ICE instead of most of the components in the chassis like the Model S and I3.

People were also expecting to see 60 Kwh like Nissan demonstrated but now not likely.

I do hope they have faster DC charging, that can in some way make up for having less range.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:34 pm

People were also expecting to see 60 Kwh like Nissan demonstrated but now not likely.


Don't panic. The 60kwh pack is expected to be offered in 2018.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:11 pm

NavyCuda wrote:Polls said ly'n Hillary Clinton was going to win easily too. Trump 2020!

That says more about you than I could have ever said. I don't think we need to make EVs appealing to people who support a guy who boasted about sexual assault.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:34 pm

evnow wrote:
NavyCuda wrote:Polls said ly'n Hillary Clinton was going to win easily too. Trump 2020!

That says more about you than I could have ever said. I don't think we need to make EVs appealing to people who support a guy who boosted about sexual assault.


So you're admitting to being a baised elitist?

Was I or was I not correct?

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:49 pm

o00scorpion00o wrote:
IssacZachary wrote:
And what's wrong with keeping some of the old Leaf in a Leaf? Car companies that go away from an original model's looks, even looks that nobody seems to likes, don't end up attracting the original enthusiasts.



A new model is what people were expecting and what I would expect when they say "new" .

And it is sad that they have no dedicated EV platform and still continue to build the Leaf like an ICE instead of most of the components in the chassis like the Model S and I3.

People were also expecting to see 60 Kwh like Nissan demonstrated but now not likely.

I do hope they have faster DC charging, that can in some way make up for having less range.


Which people? I understand that the new Leaf must be better than the old Leaf. But if it's nothing like my beloved Leaf then I'm not going to have a preference for it even though it has the name "Leaf" and it's made by Nissan.

I think Nissan should Make the Leaf 2 similar to the Leaf 1, and to make all you folks who want something completely different happy, well, make something completely different with a completely different name and all. But please don't take out of the Leaf everything I love about the Leaf.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:13 pm

Ok boys, let's get back to talking about LEAF next. We're less than 60 days before the Global reveal and soon all will be made clear!
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:31 pm

Nissan has made what appears to me to be a significant mistake in their marketing. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the "Leaf 2" is really a revamped "Leaf 1" and that Nissan will be using production tooling savings to compete with the Bolt on Price, then what they are doing is setting people who expect a 100% new Leaf up to be disappointed and angry on September 6th. They should be releasing more specifics by now. If they really want to keep what looks to be a more mundane body a secret, then they should be releasing option and pricing information. As it is, I can easily envision Nissan "unveiling" the "Leaf 2" only to discover that GM, with a glut of unsold Bolts, can actually compete with them on price, while beating them handily on specs. Then Nissan will be left with:

"The Leaf 2: it's got more comfortable seats!"
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