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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:39 pm
by GetOffYourGas
SageBrush wrote:Perhaps because I am not a Nissan victim, I don't really question when Nissan knew the extent of the problems their battery tech would encounter in higher temperature climates. My beef is their response and refusal to accept responsibility; and their miserable treatment of their early adopters. Anybody not aware of the behaviour should read @Drees for a representative case history.

I know that Nissan is much better these last 12 months or so but I frankly chalk that up to a cynical positioning in advance of the LEAF2 debut. And even now Nissan Corporate is nothing to appreciate. Another thread here this week has a post from a fellow who is 5 months past warranty in a car with SEVEN bars. It is no great leaf of faith to imagine that the car lost over 65% of capacity in under 5 years yet Nissan in its generosity still charged $2000 for a pack replacement.


So this individual went to Nissan after the warranty had expired, and they charged him 36% of the price of a new battery, when the terms say they owe him nothing? Gosh, what an evil corporation! :roll:

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:30 pm
by LeftieBiker
You mean, of course, "the terms" of the lawsuit settlement, because there was no capacity warranty at all.

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:37 pm
by desiv
LeftieBiker wrote:You mean, of course, "the terms" of the lawsuit settlement, because there was no capacity warranty at all.

I thought it was more that there was a capacity warranty as a result of the lawsuit settlement.

Maybe just semantics.. ;-)

desiv

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:14 pm
by LeftieBiker
desiv wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:You mean, of course, "the terms" of the lawsuit settlement, because there was no capacity warranty at all.

I thought it was more that there was a capacity warranty as a result of the lawsuit settlement.

Maybe just semantics.. ;-)

desiv


We both mean the same thing. There was no capacity warranty, and Nissan refused to replace packs with several bars lost under the defect warranty, despite their promises of only slow degradation. So the lawsuit happened, and under the settlement agreement, there was a capacity warranty. For years after that, Nissan did their level best to honor only the exact wording of the agreement, going so far as to deny one claim because the car arrived at the dealership with one mile more than 60,000. They only started to play nice a year or two ago. So this is not ancient history, especially in light of the 30kwh pack LeafSpy figures.

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:28 pm
by desiv
LeftieBiker wrote:They only started to play nice a year or two ago. So this is not ancient history, especially in light of the 30kwh pack LeafSpy figures.

Good to see that..
It's more than I expect from most car companies..
(Or more than I expect from most any large business for that matter.. Not much faith in anything beyond the letter of the law. ;-) )

desiv

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:31 pm
by SageBrush
desiv wrote:It's more than I expect from most car companies..
desiv

True, and all the more reason to pick a car company that does offer good customer support.

No less important though, Nissan is the only company offering a car EXPECTED to lose some 35% of its useful range by the time the warranty expires and to exhibit significant performance degradation years earlier. That puts them in a corner of the class all by themselves.

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:43 pm
by jhm614
GetOffYourGas wrote:Out of curiosity, how many plan on watching the presentation live? I probably will. The timing works out well - the kids' bedtime is 8, and the presentation starts at 8:30 EDT.


Yep, I'm in. Looking forward to hearing the details!

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:48 pm
by LeftieBiker
I'll be watching.

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:56 pm
by geefish
First review is up - in German and before the embargo has lifted.
And it looks as if they have driven it.

http://www.focus.de/auto/elektroauto/fa ... fd4c70d0ae

Most of it is behind a pay view wall and you have to use a google translate or similar.

Appears to be a performance model Leaf E-plus! More power, faster and more range.

Not sure if what the testing is done for the range but it quotes 380km and 500km.

Take everything with a grain of skepticism - it is a rough translation.

Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:01 pm
by geefish
No longer behind a paywall.
Figures are very impressive.
Definitely going to be very competitive with the TESLA model 3.
I'm very impressed!!

I cant figure out how to post photos here - maybe someone else can.

Nice interior and exterior shots.