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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:41 am

NavyCuda wrote:Nissan doesn't owe you anything. Buy a different EV if you don't like how Nissan handles their business.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT MOST OF US HAVE DONE!

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:46 am

Interesting comments from Nissan engineering.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/01/06/ni ... g-refresh/

Personally I think it is a great idea to offer EVs with less than 200 mile range. A lot of people only need a commuter car. EV's MSRPs are getting up in the $40K range, and the big boys like Nissan will soon get go the 200,000 breakpoint, which means smaller and smaller tax incentives. To me it makes sense to offer an EV with less than 200 mile range, bug with a more afforadable MSRP.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:27 am

LKK wrote:Personally I think it is a great idea to offer EVs with less than 200 mile range. A lot of people only need a commuter car.
You personally thinking this is fine but the rest of the market and industry do not. This is the reason why the iMEIV's failed.. not enough range.. They were perfect for a commuter car, but people need more then that.

Nissan would have been golden (kinda) if it wasn't for the damn battery problem and loosing range so quickly (yes, the new one is loosing capacity also!)... but still, 103mi or whatever the new Leaf is rated at is STILL NOT ENOUGH..

Would you own a gas car with a 3 or 5 gal tank? and 100mi range? :lol:

EV's need to catch up with their ICE equivalents to be competitive. Plain and simple.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:04 am

I had the opportunity to attend the Nissan CES executive roundtable on Thursday, and yes there were no firm announcements about LEAF2, but after talking with a number of the Nissan engineering and product marketing executives, if I was a betting man, I would put money down for a CY17/Q4 start of deliveries of LEAF2.

The other thing I found interesting is that Nissan feels that there is still lots of life in Chademo with much higher charging rates than in the current version, and they aren't entertaining the option of a move to SAE charging standards.

Another issue that was acknowledged are the large number of 2013/2014 cars coming off of lease this year and how to keep these customers in the Nissan family prior to the availability of the new car. There is an idea of floating around of offering these lease customers a financially attractive lease extension on their existing cars or a bridge lease on a 2017 car that include a "trade-up" to a LEAF2 when it is available.

How do you think this sort of leases offerings would be received by those whose LEAF leases are expiring this year?
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:32 pm

if I was a betting man, I would put money down for a CY17/Q4 start of deliveries of LEAF2.


Translation, please? Delivery in late 2017? If I were offered another lease extension to get through until Leaf 2, I'd consider it, especially if the Ioniq won't be here in time or if they make its option packages too limited and expensive, a la the Bolt with Surround View only being offered with a top end package with leather interior. One real concern I'd still have, though, is that my car would then have only the powertrain warranty, and I'm sure that it has a problem with the A/C that's hard to nail down because it only happens on long drives...
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:56 pm

If you are not familiar with what CY17 Q4 means:

Calendar Year 2017 - Quarter4 which is October-December 2017

On Hyundai EVs, after talking at length with their EV team, I have marginal confidence that they can bring that car to market in any significant quantity in the same time frame.

On the subject of option packages rather than being able to configure a car a-la-carte, get used to packages. On low cost vehicles, the margins are just too thin and inventory management is too complex to offer build-to-order configuring.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:08 pm

OrientExpress wrote:How do you think this sort of leases offerings would be received by those whose LEAF leases are expiring this year?

I'm sure a large number of people who took Leaf leases primarily because of low price - rather than zero emission - would be happy with the idea.

Some of us early adopters will probably jump ship to Tesla 3 - esp. if Leaf 2 comes later than Tesla 3 ! But then, Nissan would probably find it hard to compete with Tesla 3 anyway - and would have to come up with cheaper, attractive packages.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:14 pm

Stanton wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GRA wrote:Uh huh. Unless they're going to have skin in the game, no customer who's experienced capacity loss at rates far beyond Nissan's initial claims on the Gen 1 LEAF is going to take their word on faith. For starters, no more warranties based on undefined 'bars'.


not really undefined. After all, does the dealer simply power up the car, look at dash and then say "yeah, you qualify"


no they do not. the loss of the 9th bar is the signal to the consumer that the car needs to be tested. it is then the pack is evaluated for replacement. losing the bars is NOT the determining factor



I have yet to hear of anyone with 8 capacity bars remaining that has been denied a new (warranty) battery pack. The "evaluation" is a formality; you drop the 9th bar, you get a new (warranty) battery pack. Let's not spread FUD...

That misses my point. It's entirely up to Nissan to define how much capacity each bar represents, and there's absolutely nothing that prevents them from altering them if they chose to. As it is, they're claiming that 4 bars represents "about 30% loss," when we know it's really 66.25% or even a bit less. Other companies don't play this game, and say 70% (or whatever) of original capacity, which is a much less slippery value.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:15 pm

I'm thinking Tesla 3 more and more. Even if Nissan comes up with 60kwh at a decent price it does me no good for regional road trips with no places to fast charge. Same problem with the bolt.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:27 pm

JasonA wrote:
NavyCuda wrote:Nissan doesn't owe you anything. Buy a different EV if you don't like how Nissan handles their business.
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT MOST OF US HAVE DONE!

Actually, I think most of us on this forum actually do drive Nissan LEAFs.

="JasonA"
onward and upward to bigger and better things :lol:

And some may also agree with me, that all Teslas and Tesla-powered compliance BEVs built to date are overpriced, overweight, inefficient, underdeveloped, undependable mediocrities, that no would in their right mind would want to drive.

But I guess we just don't have the poor manners to go to the forums dedicated to those vehicles to say so...
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