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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:35 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:I'm thinking Tesla 3 more and more. Even if Nissan comes up with 60kwh at a decent price it does me no good for regional road trips with no places to fast charge. Same problem with the bolt.
We have a Tesla S and a Leaf. Love them both for each of their strengths. But alas, we do have reservations on 2 Model 3's one to replace the Leaf and one to very happily replace a VW TDI. There are just too many times where we (husband and wife) both need the sort of range Tesla offers and we also need the Superchargers.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:44 pm

edatoakrun wrote:Actually, I think most of us on this forum actually do drive Nissan LEAFs.
Seems like a fair presumption but it ignores how people feel about their cars, whether they plan to stay under the Nissan EV umbrella in the future, and their opinions about Nissan the company.

I can say with confidence that had I bought a new LEAF in 2011-12 for $25k - $30k, I would almost certainly not be a satisfied customer today. One of the site moderators is driving an early model LEAF with usable range in the 40s today because Nissan refused to shoulder any of the cost of replacing his aged battery some two months after the warranty expired. Think about that. Would YOU buy a $30k car you could only expect 60k miles from ? What fraction of the EV buying market will accept that type of deal when the $35k Tesla Model 3 is on the horizon ?

You have to be wearing really big blinders to not see that the Nissan EV adventure is circling the drain and the core support of highly invested and motivated owners is disappearing over the horizon with none too fond memories of Nissan to boot. Now don't get me wrong -- there is a lot to like in the LEAF. But mistakes were made with battery technology and Nissan has handled those mistakes in perhaps the worse possible way. If I didn't know better I would wonder if Nissan was run by GM.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:51 pm

OrientExpress wrote:How would you guys feel about a technology and a lighting package for the mid-level SV trim LEAF? This is the trim with cloth upholstery.

The Tech package would include smart cruise control, lane departure assistant, blind spot monitoring, and emergency braking. The lighting package would be LED headlights and fog lights.

This would allow you to build a cloth interior car with the upscale technology and lighting parts.

I like it. I very much like my 2011 SL with lighter, recycled fabrics. When looking at the 2014-2017 packages, it's difficult to choose because most of the safety/convience things are coupled with leather or premium interior
Reddy
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:25 pm

When looking at the 2014-2017 packages, it's difficult to choose because most of the safety/convience things are coupled with leather or premium interior


Premium Package comes with a different cloth interior in the SV? I didn't realize that.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:39 pm

Medium trim has ultra durable non-clotch non-leather interior. It is something
like velvet made out of recycled plastic. Stain resistant, not hot, not cold.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:50 am

That sounds like what I have. Comfortable enough, but it stinks of rubber for the first year. Which cars have actual cloth?
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:56 am

The cheapest version. That without navigation screen.
My seats didn't smell. It's the car that has "new car smell".
It's plastic and should smell like plastic bottles (aka no smell).
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:28 am

Please don't take my words as truth. I'm not yet in the market for a new car so was only armchair looking and couldn't really figure it out. Too many choices compared to 2011.
Reddy
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:09 pm

OE has it right in that Nissan is not competing with GM or Tesla. they don't have to. there is a HUGE market for lower priced EVs. Put one out at $20,000 with a 100 mile range. Put one out in the mid 20's with a 150 mile range and they will not be able to keep up with demand and it won't the Bolt or T3 in the least
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:14 pm

The problem with lower range EVs is that you can't drive it worry free because of aging/capacity loss and cold weather range.

Till now Nissan is paying for most of the capacity loss by offering cheap leases. That won't happen indefinitely. I think the range will stabilize around 300 miles minimum once the batteries are easily below $50/kWh with only econoboxes offering lower range.
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