LTLFTcomposite wrote: cwerdna wrote:
DarthPuppy wrote:As for trust, I would trust Nissan over GM.
Ditto. My parents have been burned by too many not very reliable GM cars, which is all of them they ever had. They stopped buying GM ages ago. Other than a Dodge Caravan (obviously not GM), it's been only Toyotas and Nissans for them and myself since then. (I'm on Nissan #4 now. Prior to the Leafs, it was a 350Z and a Maxima.)
Back w/GM's old management, it seems GM was always in denial about the superior reliability of Japanese cars and always kept saying their cars were competitive. To this day, they continue to make a boatload of unreliable cars (and FAR too many battering ram of death class vehicles) but at least they've improved in other aspects such as apparent build quality, interior quality, NVH and handling.
A few years ago I shared your viewpoint, after getting burned on GM cars in the 70s and and 80s they were dead to me. But that was then and this is now, and lately it seems Toyota in particular is in decline, meanwhile our Volt has been flawless. Bureaucracies evolve slowly but it looks to me like GM is evolving forward and others devolving over the last few years. Look at Volkswagen, they sure aren't some marvel of agility.
FWIW, most folks I know w/Volts are happy w/them and seem to have few problems w/them. However, more recently, I learned of some w/very problematic Volts and some that got bought back under lemon law.
When the Volt first came out, I was surprised that it got surprisingly good reliability ratings for a 1st model year GM car. However, looking at Consumer Reports reliability for all model years of Volt (except the '11, which has insufficient data) has declined to just average.
If you look at CR reliability ratings for GMs brands across all model years vs. Toyota and its brands, you will STILL find a lot of GM vehicles w/below average reliability, some well below, some average and a few above average. For Toyota, there are few below average and most are above average, often well above.
In looking at my Dec '15 CR issue which lists the 20 least reliable vehicles, 6 of them were GM. 0 were from Toyota or its brands.
If you look at http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2013 ... /index.htm
, notice a bunch of Toyotas and Lexuses being amongst the recommended vehicles (and no GM except for the Corolla-based Toyota Matrix twin built at NUMMI Pontiac Vibe) while none were in the "Worst of the worst used cars". A bunch of GM vehicles made it in that latter bucket.
I'm not sure I'd agree that Toyota is "in decline", from a reliability POV.