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TomT
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:39 pm

Well said, and so true!

finman100 wrote:No Supercharger, no deal Nissan. Are you listening?

No TMS, no deal Nissan. Are you listening?

Long range, bigger battery BEVs need BOTH. You do know about a company that can help you there, right? They've about 400,000 plus interested parties more than your "Leaf 2.0".

Come with your 'A' game and I might stay Nissan. I'm actually done with the hot battery, 50 kW max 'quick charge'. Nice for regional travel, but my next EV is going to take me out of state (across several!) and back again.

No more hodgepodge of broken, non-functional, 3rd party chargers that have but ONE stall per crappy DC charge location. Been that way for 3 years. More for those earlier adopters. What the what? And I have it REALLY good here in the Pac NW!

Love my Leaf, but Nissan, you have got to over impress me. The Model 3 is coming...
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2017 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

desiv
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:26 pm

finman100 wrote:No Supercharger, no deal Nissan. Are you listening?..

That's not just Nissan. That's every manufacturer except Tesla..
So basically you are telling Nissan and everyone else that you want a Tesla..

Good to know.. :D

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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:26 pm

Maybe finman wants Nissan to buy him a Tesla so he'll stop whining. ;-)
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:16 pm

oh c'mon. really?

Elon wants the supercharger network for ALL mfgs. look it up.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/89313/20150929/elon-musk-totally-cool-with-rivals-using-teslas-supercharger-network.htm

No one has taken him up on the offer. Thus, we are stuck with the hodgepodge of not-so-fast "long distance" charging. Have ya seen the Bolt story on going 800 miles? THAT's why the Tesla network is so far ahead. People have criss-crossed the US of A in Teslas.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2017/03/12/chevy-bolt-ev-long-distance-troubles-on-an-800-mile-road-trip-report/#c9805c0c9805

(sorry, I really like the word hodgepodge.)

When you have the best charging network, you keep it to yourself, right? But Elon wants ALL mfgs to be able to handle high power and REAL fast charging. He wants to share this tech and get more VIABLE long distance EVs.

Yes, I am whining all the way to NOT being a Nissan customer when another company does it better. I didn't say cheaper...yet.

I'll say it all night long. 200+ miles on a single charge is great. it's awesome. what happens AFTER that?
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:42 pm

finman100 wrote:oh c'mon. really?

Elon wants the supercharger network for ALL mfgs. look it up.

If you search you will see a lot of discussion on this "offer" by Musk and why no one will take it up.

If you want supercharger network, you will have to buy a Tesla.
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:54 pm

evnow wrote:If you search you will see a lot of discussion on this "offer" by Musk and why no one will take it up.

If you want supercharger network, you will have to buy a Tesla.


the more the merrier, (standards that is :roll: )

at least LEAF 2, GM Bolt and Tesla 3 will not be clones of each other, even if they have some MSRP overlap.

Personally I expect those who have reserved a Tesla 3 will need to finalize ordering quickly if they want the $35,000 version. I don't think the entry level Tesla will be generally available with federal tax credit, but the LEAF 2 and GM Bolt will. I also predict the LEAF 2 to have about 250 miles EPA (wild wild rumor, but LEAF 2 should have lower aero cross section than Bolt, even if the drag co-eff is the same). I expect demand for higher trim T3 to be sufficient that Tesla effectively drops the supply of T3 with less than LEAF 2 / Bolt range.

Base T3 with a 'reasonable' delivery could be $40,000 and miss the tax rebate
LEAF/Bolt with average discount could be $30,000 and still get the tax rebate (so thats like $23k)
so for 'comparable' vehicles the lease rates for these will be wildly different. perhaps 1/2.

I don't expect fed rebate to last beyond when both Tesla and GM have used up their allotment. The clock will start.

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