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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:39 pm

Well said, and so true!

finman100 wrote:No Supercharger, no deal Nissan. Are you listening?

No TMS, no deal Nissan. Are you listening?

Long range, bigger battery BEVs need BOTH. You do know about a company that can help you there, right? They've about 400,000 plus interested parties more than your "Leaf 2.0".

Come with your 'A' game and I might stay Nissan. I'm actually done with the hot battery, 50 kW max 'quick charge'. Nice for regional travel, but my next EV is going to take me out of state (across several!) and back again.

No more hodgepodge of broken, non-functional, 3rd party chargers that have but ONE stall per crappy DC charge location. Been that way for 3 years. More for those earlier adopters. What the what? And I have it REALLY good here in the Pac NW!

Love my Leaf, but Nissan, you have got to over impress me. The Model 3 is coming...
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2016 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

desiv
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:26 pm

finman100 wrote:No Supercharger, no deal Nissan. Are you listening?..

That's not just Nissan. That's every manufacturer except Tesla..
So basically you are telling Nissan and everyone else that you want a Tesla..

Good to know.. :D

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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:26 pm

Maybe finman wants Nissan to buy him a Tesla so he'll stop whining. ;-)
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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finman100
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:16 pm

oh c'mon. really?

Elon wants the supercharger network for ALL mfgs. look it up.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/89313/20150929/elon-musk-totally-cool-with-rivals-using-teslas-supercharger-network.htm

No one has taken him up on the offer. Thus, we are stuck with the hodgepodge of not-so-fast "long distance" charging. Have ya seen the Bolt story on going 800 miles? THAT's why the Tesla network is so far ahead. People have criss-crossed the US of A in Teslas.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2017/03/12/chevy-bolt-ev-long-distance-troubles-on-an-800-mile-road-trip-report/#c9805c0c9805

(sorry, I really like the word hodgepodge.)

When you have the best charging network, you keep it to yourself, right? But Elon wants ALL mfgs to be able to handle high power and REAL fast charging. He wants to share this tech and get more VIABLE long distance EVs.

Yes, I am whining all the way to NOT being a Nissan customer when another company does it better. I didn't say cheaper...yet.

I'll say it all night long. 200+ miles on a single charge is great. it's awesome. what happens AFTER that?
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:42 pm

finman100 wrote:oh c'mon. really?

Elon wants the supercharger network for ALL mfgs. look it up.

If you search you will see a lot of discussion on this "offer" by Musk and why no one will take it up.

If you want supercharger network, you will have to buy a Tesla.
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:54 pm

evnow wrote:If you search you will see a lot of discussion on this "offer" by Musk and why no one will take it up.

If you want supercharger network, you will have to buy a Tesla.


the more the merrier, (standards that is :roll: )

at least LEAF 2, GM Bolt and Tesla 3 will not be clones of each other, even if they have some MSRP overlap.

Personally I expect those who have reserved a Tesla 3 will need to finalize ordering quickly if they want the $35,000 version. I don't think the entry level Tesla will be generally available with federal tax credit, but the LEAF 2 and GM Bolt will. I also predict the LEAF 2 to have about 250 miles EPA (wild wild rumor, but LEAF 2 should have lower aero cross section than Bolt, even if the drag co-eff is the same). I expect demand for higher trim T3 to be sufficient that Tesla effectively drops the supply of T3 with less than LEAF 2 / Bolt range.

Base T3 with a 'reasonable' delivery could be $40,000 and miss the tax rebate
LEAF/Bolt with average discount could be $30,000 and still get the tax rebate (so thats like $23k)
so for 'comparable' vehicles the lease rates for these will be wildly different. perhaps 1/2.

I don't expect fed rebate to last beyond when both Tesla and GM have used up their allotment. The clock will start.

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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Mon May 29, 2017 6:38 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
eastocean wrote:They have to match or beat the Bolt, but are a full year behind, if they match their schedule. .


Match or beat the Bolt? Too easy. Hell if you stick a 60 KW battery in the existing leaf it would be better than a bolt. We waited to check out the bolt before buying our SV. It was, tacky, noisy, cramped, cheesy, no Nav, and the seats sucked. My guess is the new leaf will blow it away. And most important it won't be a Chevy. All personal taste I suppose but no I don't believe nissan has anything to worry about. Tesla 3 maybe but it will probably be more expensive.

Jmho


Not quite from my experience. The Leaf's driving dynamics are fairly mediocre compared to the Bolt. The Bolt drives better, has better steering weight/feel, has Carplay and has a very nice tight turning radius. The interior does feel cheap and I agree with you that the new Leaf will likely blow the Bolt away. But then again, the Leaf's been out for 7 years and the Bolt just came out.

I leased the 2017 Leaf because the numbers were hard to beat but despite the Bolt's shortcomings, as a "driver's car", I liked the Bolt better. It even looks nicer. Whatever the case, we're at the MS-DOS 6.22 days of EV cars and in 3-5 years, we should be seeing OSX 10 levels of user experience and performance from these things.

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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Tue May 30, 2017 7:11 am

BranchingOut wrote:Whatever the case, we're at the MS-DOS 6.22 days of EV cars and in 3-5 years, we should be seeing OSX 10 levels of user experience and performance from these things.
Based upon that analogy, a Tesla Model S is a high-end SGI Workstation. :D
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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Tue May 30, 2017 9:27 am

ydnas7 wrote:
evnow wrote:If you search you will see a lot of discussion on this "offer" by Musk and why no one will take it up.

If you want supercharger network, you will have to buy a Tesla.


the more the merrier, (standards that is :roll: )

at least LEAF 2, GM Bolt and Tesla 3 will not be clones of each other, even if they have some MSRP overlap.

Personally I expect those who have reserved a Tesla 3 will need to finalize ordering quickly if they want the $35,000 version. I don't think the entry level Tesla will be generally available with federal tax credit, but the LEAF 2 and GM Bolt will. I also predict the LEAF 2 to have about 250 miles EPA (wild wild rumor, but LEAF 2 should have lower aero cross section than Bolt, even if the drag co-eff is the same). I expect demand for higher trim T3 to be sufficient that Tesla effectively drops the supply of T3 with less than LEAF 2 / Bolt range.

Base T3 with a 'reasonable' delivery could be $40,000 and miss the tax rebate
LEAF/Bolt with average discount could be $30,000 and still get the tax rebate (so thats like $23k)
so for 'comparable' vehicles the lease rates for these will be wildly different. perhaps 1/2.

I don't expect fed rebate to last beyond when both Tesla and GM have used up their allotment. The clock will start.


Tesla Model 3 is actually rolling out with less optioned models first, in order to simplify production, with dual motor and performance version rolling out in late 2017 or Q1 2018. As such, you can expect $36k - 7.5k = $28,500.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

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Re: Leaf 2 to be revealed in Sept, on sales before end of the year

Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:04 pm

finman100 wrote:Yes, I am whining all the way to NOT being a Nissan customer when another company does it better. I didn't say cheaper...yet.

Actually, you are whining all the way to a Tesla 3, IF you can get one, and IF the price is satisfactory (though, if you don't care about price, buy a Tesla S and call it good). And you evidently want us to hold your hand while you do it. It is your choice and your call. You don't need any help from here.
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