DesertSprings
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:36 am

I'm not too worried about battery degradation due to lack of active cooling, simply because I will be leasing again. I fully expect technology to continue to greatly improve, both in regards to battery cost and in regards to autonomous features, and expect after 3 years I will want the newer tech.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:26 am

DesertSprings wrote:I'm not too worried about battery degradation due to lack of active cooling, simply because I will be leasing again. I fully expect technology to continue to greatly improve, both in regards to battery cost and in regards to autonomous features, and expect after 3 years I will want the newer tech.


As long as Nissan continues to provide the full tax benefit on leases, I will continue to lease as well. This essentially gives me a 3 year test drive and a baseline for the degradation I can expect if I buy.
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Dooglas
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:59 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:As long as Nissan continues to provide the full tax benefit on leases, I will continue to lease as well. This essentially gives me a 3 year test drive and a baseline for the degradation I can expect if I buy.

Agree. I am on my second lease. I will buy this vehicle unless it develops problems or a better value appears in the next two years.
2013 Leaf SV - lease ended, 2016 Leaf S30

LeftieBiker
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:23 pm

Leasing is my only option, because of my income and retired status.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

dblo
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:55 pm

NeilBlanchard wrote:Nissan has already shown a 60kWh pack that is very similar physical size to their current 24/30kWh packs.

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Here's the 60kWh:

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Here's the 24kWh pack (2013):

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Thanks for the pictures. Looks to me physically the 24KWH and the 60 KWH batteries are very similar and that may allow old Leaf to upgrade to 60KWH?

David, 2011 SV. 92k miles, 5 bars left.

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:22 pm

dblo wrote:Thanks for the pictures. Looks to me physically the 24KWH and the 60 KWH batteries are very similar and that may allow old Leaf to upgrade to 60KWH?

David, 2011 SV. 92k miles, 5 bars left.


Even if it was technically / physically possible, Nissan has given us zero reason to hope that they would offer such an upgrade. Or any upgrade for that matter.
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NavyCuda
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:59 pm

dblo wrote:
NeilBlanchard wrote:Nissan has already shown a 60kWh pack that is very similar physical size to their current 24/30kWh packs.

Image

Here's the 60kWh:

Image

Here's the 24kWh pack (2013):

Image


Thanks for the pictures. Looks to me physically the 24KWH and the 60 KWH batteries are very similar and that may allow old Leaf to upgrade to 60KWH?

David, 2011 SV. 92k miles, 5 bars left.


Nissan is in business to sell cars, not battery packs.

It's in their best interest to convince you to buy the next Leaf instead of stringing gen one customers along in what will become an inferior car.

ElectricEddy
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:03 pm

Any info on weight difference between 30 kWh and 60 kWh pack ?
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:15 pm

ElectricEddy wrote:Any info on weight difference between 30 kWh and 60 kWh pack ?


ummm....hmmm???... I kinda sorta think I knew at one time.... 80 lbs? 80 k's?
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ElectricEddy
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:42 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
ElectricEddy wrote:Any info on weight difference between 30 kWh and 60 kWh pack ?


ummm....hmmm???... I kinda sorta think I knew at one time.... 80 lbs? 80 k's?


The reported weight difference between 24 and 30 is 21Kg (46 lbs)

http://pushevs.com/2016/01/13/nissan-le ... vs-30-kwh/

Just referring to the 41% more range statement , it seems efficiency/discharge rate
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