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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:13 pm

phr00t wrote:As long as we are clear 60kWh & 42kWh are nothing much more than speculation. Posters sounded pretty sure of themselves that they had confirmed numbers, which isn't the case. The 37.44kWh number has some numbers from Nissan behind it, which is why it appears to be more than just speculation. I'm not necessarily saying that will be the maximum range, but perhaps their first widely available option.

Anyway, hanging tight.


https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/coll ... lution2016\
"600 km (JC08) range on 1 charge is no fantasy"

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note JC08 is fantasy range, but realistic megacity fuel usage.

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:45 pm

Wow, even after using the typical jc08 to EPA conversion (which assumes jc08 is typically 50% bs)
We get 250 miles plus EPA

If you drive your car 18mph it would go 366ish miles

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:21 pm

rmay635703 wrote:If you drive your car 18mph it would go 366ish miles


if only,

average car speed in Manhattan is now 8.21 mph.

seriously, not kidding

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/p ... -print.pdf

see page 14-15

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:29 am

ydnas7 wrote:
rmay635703 wrote:If you drive your car 18mph it would go 366ish miles


if only,

average car speed in Manhattan is now 8.21 mph.

seriously, not kidding

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/p ... -print.pdf

see page 14-15


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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:46 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:I missed that.

If the 37.44kWh number is close to correct, I will be very disappointed in Nissan. And I will be enjoying my new Model 3 or Bolt instead.


7½ more kwh for less than $20K after incentives sounds good to me
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:22 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:I missed that.

If the 37.44kWh number is close to correct, I will be very disappointed in Nissan. And I will be enjoying my new Model 3 or Bolt instead.


7½ more kwh for less than $20K after incentives sounds good to me


Don't get me wrong - the more options (at appropriate prices), the better. But for me, I need my next EV to get me about 300 miles away (a trip I take roughly every other weekend). There are DCQC along the route, but the longest stretch between them is 150 miles (counting the CCS/CHAdeMO ones - Tesla's largest gap is <100 miles). 37.44kWh wouldn't cover that gap comfortably, so it's a useless upgrade to me, regardless of the price.
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:24 pm

^^^^^^* You have to stop posting all these facts!!!

It's all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:42 am

TonyWilliams wrote:^^^^^^* You have to stop posting all these facts!!!

It's all smoke and mirrors, I tell ya.


@ydnas7's image is from this article, which we've already referenced in this discussion:

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/20/niss ... ide-endcap

It is no doubt a 60kWh+ battery is on their "roadmap", which is what that image is showing. It is also no doubt they have made a 60kWh prototype battery.

If you ask them recently about matching the Bolt's range (which would require around a 60kWh battery pack), which I've quoted before in this thread, Nissan responds saying "We can do 200 or 300 miles. We Can. The question is Cost." Perhaps the economics doesn't allow them to reach their "roadmap" goal yet, at least not as a base model at release.

There is no confirmed 60kWh battery pack for the upcoming Leaf. There is no confirmed 37.44kWh battery pack for the upcoming Leaf. The "facts" that keep getting thrown around are prototypes, concepts & marketing hype. There is a little more data that points to a 37.44kWh battery pack, and it may fit into the current pricing model of a base offering (e.g. around $30k USD).

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:31 am

Some more sources showing the next Nissan Leaf's battery may disappoint, with ranges less than the Bolt. Let's run some new numbers.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschm ... b382584b08

"Nissan’s long-awaited second generation of its battery-electric Leaf could make a public appearance as early as in a few weeks. However, the car’s range could initially be a little less than the expected 400 kilometers (250 miles) per the optimistic Japanese standard."

"The not-so-good news is that rumors won’t die in Yokohama that Nissan may have a little problem with its battery, which could lead “to a little disappointment” when the new Leaf finally is announced. In its first year of existence, the new Leaf’s range could be not quite as breath-taking, consistent Yokohama scuttlebutt says, and the far-ranging version could come a little later as an option."

If we run some estimations from the first quote, saying the range will initially be a little less than 400 km using the Japanese standard (JC08):

JC08 says the current 84 EPA Leaf gets 141 miles, according to http://www.hybridcars.com/ids-concept-f ... ssan-leaf/

So, that is a scale of 59.57%. Apply that to 400 km, you get 238 km, or 147.886 EPA miles. However, it was said it would be a little less than this.

The next Nissan Leaf still could definitely have only 134 miles, maybe a little more from more than expected aero improvements. Still supports a 37.44kWh battery.

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