EatsShootsandLeafs
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:48 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:But then again, its easier to cite the past when predicting the future it seems.
We should always seek to learn from the past (we can't learn from the future). I think Bush said it best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:02 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:But then again, its easier to cite the past when predicting the future it seems.
We should always seek to learn from the past (we can't learn from the future). I think Bush said it best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A


I don't know why but that clip just aways seems to make my day! :mrgreen:
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:09 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:If that's the case Nissan will keep being stubborn and not using TMS? So we'll read more posts about people with range issues in their new cars and destroyed resale again? And more excuses here about how, yes TMS would have saved these packs, but we should support nissan in not using them because down the road, at some unknown future point, TMS won't be needed, so let's pretend that day is today even if we're scorching the batteries and noticing significant loss of range in one, two, three years.


premature statement based on a few outliers with 2015 build dates used to speculate on a car that has not even hit the streets.
You can't be serious. The number of cars with missing bars across all years is legion. I know you know that, so your post is baffling but I don't want to accuse you of being disingenuous yet. Nissan fooled some people with Gen 1 over multiple years. Until they can prove 2+ years into Gen 2 that their batteries hold up, the safe route is to assume once again that they won't.


I am COMPLETELY SERIOUS. What have we seen over the years?

Huge degradation slowly addressed to where the Lizard battery did make measurable strides. I can post testimonials if you like.

Then Nissan changes the battery. new electrodes, tweaked this, tweaked that and what happens? First 30 kwh packs off the line built late 2015 are losing bars like crazy. Another guy in AZ this morning has already lost THREE! in 14,000 miles. Doesn't live in Phoenix but doesn't matter that much, its still hot. BUT we have 2015 owners with older cars, smaller battery packs, AND in pretty hot climates not seeing anything like it. But their packs were mature; presumably at the top of where that tech could go.

But the 30 kwh packs are brand new tech. So how anyone is not seeing this is quite shocking to me. But then again, we shall see...
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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:55 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:But the 30 kwh packs are brand new tech. So how anyone is not seeing this is quite shocking to me. But then again, we shall see...
I guess we will :)

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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:54 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:But the 30 kwh packs are brand new tech. .

Hardly.
It does suggest though a couple of unpleasant possibilities:

1. Nissan has not learned squat
2. Nissan technology is worse, not better than a couple years ago. The AESC sale might play into this scenario
3. Nissan is dumping crap batteries on the 30 kWh line

None of this is proven, but I will say this: I am SO happy I bought a used 24 kWh LEAF and not a new 30 kWh model if for no other reason than I did not arrange my car choices to have a 30 kWh range EV I could rely on for a couple of years. Oh, and flush $10k+ down the drain.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

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