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Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:03 am
by OrientExpress
I suspect that a LEAF/Next in "S" trim will be available in a 40kWh size in the low 20's after incentives.

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:39 am
by webb14leafs
I vote for an S model with a 40kWhr battery. Possibly more in an SL model.

I think Nissan would be better off keeping their price low ($22K-25K after dealer and factory incentives). 40kW battery would get around 150 miles. That's a big enough upgrade over the current model. It's also a distance that connects most major cities to another major city, which I think is important.

The only people who would buy a Bolt are those who NEED that extra 60 miles or so, and are will to pay $15K more for it. Not many EV drivers are in that boat.

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:01 am
by NavyCuda
40kWh is still not enough for the lower mainland of British Columbia and arguably still not enough for a number of Canadian urban centers. I live in the Greater Vancouver Regional District. To go to vancouver and back to home is a little over 200km. I want to be able to do that trip comfortably in the cold of a Canadian winter and still have range to spare incase I need to make a couple more stops. 60kWh is the bare minimum needed for the GVRD to avoid needing public charging. Last weekends trip to vancouver had an extra two hours, because I had to wait twice for L3 charging.

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:17 pm
by DNAinaGoodWay
If they don't immediately offer a 60 kWh option, at a competitive price, they'll just lose sales. Sure, lots of people who are willing to accept less range, at even better pricing, will be happy to get what will be the best of the "second tier " EVs, but many others will go to Bolt, Tesla if they can.

I'm surprised we're not getting leaks by now. Nissan should handle government secrets, they're doing a better job.

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:03 am
by Joe6pack
"I'm surprised we're not getting leaks by now. Nissan should handle government secrets, they're doing a better job."

Amen. I have been scouring the Interwebs looking for additional info. and finding nada. I can't even figure out when the Smyrna, TN plant is scheduled to be taken offline for retooling. With that many employees, surely someone knows.

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:15 am
by DaveinOlyWA
2011RedLeaf wrote:Actually a 40 kWh in low 20s with the safety bells and whistles & DCFC (don't care which flavor - local chargers have both), with 100K mile capacity warrantee and I will go back on my Nissan Never Again stance and head to my dealer.


New article out from someone who test drove a 2019 LEAF. 38.4 kwh usable that pencils to 153.4 miles @ a modest 4 miles/kwh. Stronger motor, no info on DCFC and it was a mule so no info on any tech upgrades.

So Nissan either has to have compelling tech or come in at a different price point. I am voting on the latter. Current 30 kwh LEAFs are going in to the mid teens so expecting a 2018 to be in the low to mid 20's on a lease to buyout is not unreasonable I think. Considering Chevy is still refusing to deal on Bolt leases, Nissan (again) becomes the best option for me.

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:58 pm
by Firetruck41
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
2011RedLeaf wrote:Actually a 40 kWh in low 20s with the safety bells and whistles & DCFC (don't care which flavor - local chargers have both), with 100K mile capacity warrantee and I will go back on my Nissan Never Again stance and head to my dealer.


New article out from someone who test drove a 2019 LEAF. 38.4 kwh usable that pencils to 153.4 miles @ a modest 4 miles/kwh. Stronger motor, no info on DCFC and it was a mule so no info on any tech upgrades.

Link?

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:08 am
by jlv
DaveinOlyWA wrote:153.4 miles @ a modest 4 miles/kwh

Nearly exactly the range Nissan talked about 2 years ago!

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:29 am
by NeilBlanchard

Re: Predicting Range & Value of LEAF Gen 2

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:48 pm
by alozzy
If 38.4 kwh is the usable range and they improve the coefficient of drag somewhat (seems likely), then EPA range of 160 miles (250km) seems possible.

Given the projected price point, I would be happy with that.

I think Nissan is making a big mistake to retain a passively cooled pack though, that's going to be a deciding factor against the new Leaf in hotter markets.