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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:00 am

I had a friend with a diesel Volkswagen camper van. When he referred to it as his "diesel pusher motor home", it really pissed off some of the people who had Class A bus-sized motorhomes.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:52 pm

I have deposit down for a Tesla 3, which I probably won't see until late 2018 or early 2019.
I was never interested in a Leaf because of the short range.
But if 2019 Leaf comes with 200 + mile range and cooler looking exterior design, I would have to seriously consider it.
The US federal incentive will probably be non-existent by 2019 on electric cars. For around $35000, I expect to have heated front seats at least. However, on a Tesla 3, you have to buy $5000 premium pkg to get heated seats. And I do not even want to pay extra $1000 for optional paint color so I am set on black color.
If 2019 Leaf looks similar to what Leaf looks now, I will not consider it. It is a major turn off for me.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:02 am

tesleaf wrote:I have deposit down for a Tesla 3, which I probably won't see until late 2018 or early 2019.
I was never interested in a Leaf because of the short range.
But if 2019 Leaf comes with 200 + mile range and cooler looking exterior design, I would have to seriously consider it.
The US federal incentive will probably be non-existent by 2019 on electric cars. For around $35000, I expect to have heated front seats at least. However, on a Tesla 3, you have to buy $5000 premium pkg to get heated seats. And I do not even want to pay extra $1000 for optional paint color so I am set on black color.
If 2019 Leaf looks similar to what Leaf looks now, I will not consider it. It is a major turn off for me.
Heated front seats are standard on the 3; the premium package adds heated rear seats, among many other things. [From the Monroney sticker list of standard equipment: "Heated seats for driver and front passenger."]

However, the Model 3 apparently doesn't have a heated steering wheel, even as an option (perhaps it will come next year). I would certainly expect the 200 mile LEAF, when it comes, to have that. I'd rather have a heated steering wheel than heated seats, although having both is better.
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:04 am

edatoakrun wrote:hopefully, the base interior in the Tesla model 3 will be a little bit nicer than the redi-Go's...


This is interesting... TSLA do not even have a speedometer for $5k add-on. :lol:
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:26 am

borugee wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:hopefully, the base interior in the Tesla model 3 will be a little bit nicer than the redi-Go's...


This is interesting... TSLA do not even have a speedometer for $5k add-on. :lol:


Standard equipment is not listed as an add on. :roll:

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:05 pm

So I just had an interesting conversation with a Nissan sales rep (part of the 2018 leaf sales force), and she wasn't aware of a warranty against capacity degradation (only the 8y defect warranty) on the 2018 leaf. Also, there's no 80% charge limiter either, unless you have Nissan Connect (no different from current owners).

So (speculation!) worse case scenario is that 40kwh leaf owners will be SOL if their battery degrades rapidly due to heat/poor-battery-management. Was this already known?
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:30 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:So I just had an interesting conversation with a Nissan sales rep (part of the 2018 leaf sales force), and she wasn't aware of a warranty against capacity degradation (only the 8y defect warranty) on the 2018 leaf. Also, there's no 80% charge limiter either, unless you have Nissan Connect (no different from current owners).

So (speculation!) worse case scenario is that 40kwh leaf owners will be SOL if their battery degrades rapidly due to heat/poor-battery-management. Was this already known?


Hard to say how accurate the info is though. Our Nissan rep learned most of what he knows about the Leaf from us. Nice person and all but completely unaware of any facets of the leaf. I think electric vehicle training is still pretty low on the sales floor at some dealerships.
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:51 pm

Also, there's no 80% charge limiter either, unless you have Nissan Connect (no different from current owners).


The current version lets you limit charge to 80%?!
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:05 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Also, there's no 80% charge limiter either, unless you have Nissan Connect (no different from current owners).


The current version lets you limit charge to 80%?!


Not the 30kwh leaf S, no. I was referring to the 2013 leaf S. And the 2018 leaf S won't either. Probably a plow to get more people to upgrade?
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26 Nov 2017 - 17.1k miles & 332 GIDs]

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:45 pm

No, it was likely a response to the EPA down-rating the range of the 2013 because Nissan called the 80% option "long life mode."
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