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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:36 pm

SageBrush wrote:I made a comparison table, though some data is incomplete.
The LEAF SL and SV have the stand-out value of TACC, but in most other respects the base Model 3 either matches or trounces the high end LEAF. Note that I flipped the 'SL' and 'SV' labels.

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Looks good! I do wish the Model 3 had a heated steering wheel.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:25 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
SageBrush wrote:I made a comparison table, though some data is incomplete.
The LEAF SL and SV have the stand-out value of TACC, but in most other respects the base Model 3 either matches or trounces the high end LEAF. Note that I flipped the 'SL' and 'SV' labels.

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Looks good! I do wish the Model 3 had a heated steering wheel.

I'm shocked it doesn't :shock:
Personally I'd not want a vehicle without that feature, it's that important to me :)
I'd trade a half a dozen other features for a heated steering wheel!
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:56 pm

That table assigns features to only the SL that the SV also has with the Tech Package. I'm also amazed at no heated steering wheel in the 3. I wouldn't drive one if it were given to me for free, between that and the rough ride. Maybe that too is wrong in the chart.
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:03 pm

Turns out the table is correct --- I thought for a while that the 'SV' is the highest trim but it is indeed the 'SL'

I personally do not care about a heated steering wheel even though I live in a 4 season climate because I use nice gloves; but for those that do, inexpensive aftermarket alternatives exist.
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:47 pm

SageBrush wrote:Turns out the table is correct --- I thought for a while that the 'SV' is the highest trim but it is indeed the 'SL'

I personally do not care about a heated steering wheel even though I live in a 4 season climate because I use nice gloves; but for those that do, inexpensive aftermarket alternatives exist.

While I've heard of adding heated seats(and actually added them to all 4 seats in our Prius) I have not heard of anyone adding a heated steering wheel aftermarket, are you saying it's a possibility? Short of replacing the whole steering wheel I can't see how it would be possible....
As I've said before, personally I could live without heated seats(as long as the car doesn't have leather) but having had a heated steering wheel(having one before) is almost a must. Now if course if someone was going to give me a Model 3 for free.....well heck I'd take it no matter what features it had :lol:
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:12 pm

The lack of the heated steering wheel in the 3 is one reason I haven't already placed my order.
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:24 pm

While I've heard of adding heated seats(and actually added them to all 4 seats in our Prius) I have not heard of anyone adding a heated steering wheel aftermarket, are you saying it's a possibility? Short of replacing the whole steering wheel I can't see how it would be possible....


There are crappy heated steering wheel covers available, but none work really well. The battery powered ones last 1 hour at most, and the plug-in ones are supposed to be unplugged when you drive the car. A poor substitute indeed...
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:46 pm

The steering wheel heater covers are easy to find on Amazon.
Or buy a nice pair of gloves ... or heated gloves, for that matter.

It is a trivial problem to resolve.

My issue is actually cold feet, LOL
Last week I replaced the soles with much better insulation and am a pretty happy camper now.
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:17 pm

I updated the table to add some organization.
Can anybody help with the unknowns ?

The comparison Tesla is the base, SR model without any options (PUP, AP, FSD, Wheels or $1,000 non-black color) chosen.
The 'SV' models has a $2200 "tech upgrade package" option that includes the 120/240 volt mobile charger and other other stuff
The 'S' model has a $1590 "tech upgrade package" option that includes the L3 port and 120/240 volt mobile charger.
A $450 - $900 'Weather package' is offered that includes heated wheel, heated seats, and heated mirrors.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:24 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
While I've heard of adding heated seats(and actually added them to all 4 seats in our Prius) I have not heard of anyone adding a heated steering wheel aftermarket, are you saying it's a possibility? Short of replacing the whole steering wheel I can't see how it would be possible....


There are crappy heated steering wheel covers available, but none work really well. The battery powered ones last 1 hour at most, and the plug-in ones are supposed to be unplugged when you drive the car. A poor substitute indeed...


I don't know... If I could get one that would give me an actual hour of comfortable warmth, I might put it on my 2015 LEAF and stop using Nissan's burn/freeze device. :lol:
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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