Evoforce
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:26 am

powersurge wrote:First, I do not think that the Tesla 3 will ever be produced... The company could not afford to produce it.

Also, I would rather own a leaf, and replace the battery after 6-8-10 years, and NOT be raped with low-volume specialty toy with a big battery. With the Tesla, the battery is not the weak point in the system. The problem with Tesla is that you will not be able to afford repairs and maintenance, and replacement parts long term.

I see the Leaf as a flashlight that I can change the batteries with new ones when the batteries die. I would rather do that than pay ridiculous money to have "lifetime" rechargeable batteries, up front when I buy it....


I just have to laugh at your sarcasm here. :lol:
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:10 am

Evoforce wrote:
powersurge wrote:First, I do not think that the Tesla 3 will ever be produced... The company could not afford to produce it.

Also, I would rather own a leaf, and replace the battery after 6-8-10 years, and NOT be raped with low-volume specialty toy with a big battery. With the Tesla, the battery is not the weak point in the system. The problem with Tesla is that you will not be able to afford repairs and maintenance, and replacement parts long term.

I see the Leaf as a flashlight that I can change the batteries with new ones when the batteries die. I would rather do that than pay ridiculous money to have "lifetime" rechargeable batteries, up front when I buy it....


I just have to laugh at your sarcasm here. :lol:


This back and forth is getting kind of ridiculous. Why does it have to be all or nothing with both cars?? Love the Tesla/Hate the Leaf and vice versa.

They are both great cars with unique advantages and disadvantages. The consumer can decide which one meets their needs. Decisions might be based on range, or utility, or simply "cool factor". No reason to bash one car while hyping the other.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:22 am

powersurge wrote:First, I do not think that the Tesla 3 will ever be produced... The company could not afford to produce it.

Also, I would rather own a leaf, and replace the battery after 6-8-10 years, and NOT be raped with low-volume specialty toy with a big battery. With the Tesla, the battery is not the weak point in the system. The problem with Tesla is that you will not be able to afford repairs and maintenance, and replacement parts long term.

I see the Leaf as a flashlight that I can change the batteries with new ones when the batteries die. I would rather do that than pay ridiculous money to have "lifetime" rechargeable batteries, up front when I buy it....

lmao. I bolded the part that was the funniest.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:47 am

webb14leafs wrote:This back and forth is getting kind of ridiculous. Why does it have to be all or nothing with both cars?? Love the Tesla/Hate the Leaf and vice versa.

They are both great cars with unique advantages and disadvantages. The consumer can decide which one meets their needs. Decisions might be based on range, or utility, or simply "cool factor". No reason to bash one car while hyping the other.


My thoughts exactly. The title of this thread implies that the OP was looking for advantages the 2018 Leaf has over the Model 3. So I tried to stick to those. But that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of advantages of the Model 3.

If I had to chose between the two (ignoring the Bolt - another great option IMHO), I would probably pick the Model 3. But on the other hand, I would probably take a 225-mile 2019 Leaf over a Model 3 (and no, the 5 mile difference does not have anything to do with the choice). So clearly I don't think either is a bad car. Both are great EVs.
~Brian

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2011 Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard on a 22' sailboat
2012 Leaf SV (traded for Bolt)
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:51 am

My final bit of advice is that IF the Tesla is truly available for only $5K more than the Leaf, BUY IT under any circumstances and run victory laps around your lawn.

If it ends up costing $10K or more than the Leaf and 150 miles of range meets your needs. Buy the Leaf. If you need more than 150 miles, wait until 2019 and restart the decision making process.

Of course, if Toyota actually releases a solid state battery powered car in 2020 or 2021 with a reasonable price tag then everything goes out the window.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:15 am

webb14leafs wrote:... IF the Tesla is truly available for only $5K more than the Leaf...
Tesla will be at least double from a lease perspective in California. Leafs are almost free here if you consider the gas savings.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:01 am

DanCar wrote:
webb14leafs wrote:... IF the Tesla is truly available for only $5K more than the Leaf...
Tesla will be at least double from a lease perspective in California. Leafs are almost free here if you consider the gas savings.


The good news is Nissan will still have to subsidize their cars with deep discounts and they will see to a certain audience. Meanwhile those that want a Model 3 also have a choice. I see the ration of sales of the Model 3 to all other EVs to be very significant, that's clear. What is not clear is how the LEAF sales will look now and later once there are more supplies of the Model 3 and used vehicles of both. I expect that to push the curve wider. There are price, styling , performance, and cache differences yet the key drivers on utility and function that Nissan lacks for many buyers are

Supercharging
Technology and included telematics hardware and functional differences
Service and support
Battery life

Many LEAF owners will need a second car or rental for many situations regardless of the long range LEAF pack.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:44 am

Many LEAF owners will need a second car or rental for many situations regardless of the long range LEAF pack.


The same can be said for the Tesla. The Tesla supercharger network is leaps and bounds better than any other, but it is still not ubiquidous. And for really long drives an hour of charging for every 2.5 of driving is enough to warrant a rental or second car for most people.

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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:57 am

webb14leafs wrote:My final bit of advice is that IF the Tesla is truly available for only $5K more than the Leaf, BUY IT under any circumstances and run victory laps around your lawn.

I don't know how much the LEAF2 will sell for, but msrp seems likely for now.

The $36k Model 3 is not an if. Reserve today to get in line for delivery in 12-18 months by current projections.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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Re: Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:10 am

powersurge wrote:First, I do not think that the Tesla 3 will ever be produced... The company could not afford to produce it.


Not many profitably at less than $50K, and profitability even at that price is questionable! The company already
continually loses money selling both the MS & MX at over $90K. The M3 will cannibalize sales of the MS and
increase Tesla losses. Tesla's cost structure is much greater than GM's with the Bolt, with battery costs not that
different. So with the Bolt selling near break-even at around $35K, the M3 will be a loss-leader for Tesla.
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 66K miles, 50 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F (35C), min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

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