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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:43 pm

phr00t wrote:They really should have had the 60kWh / 200+ mile version ready for the premier.

Fairly sure, if they could, they would have. AESC battery tech was simply not at a place where they could offer a reasonable 60 kWh option.

That is why Ghosn commented "LG makes the best batteries" and they sold off AESC. In hindsight, Nissan would have been better off using LG battery from beginning (TMS and all), rather than AESC.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:51 pm

I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:46 pm

edatoakrun wrote:So, your point is?

More Nissan's point actually, that battery longevity correlates most strongly with average annual ambient temperature.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:56 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
phr00t wrote:They really should have had the 60kWh / 200+ mile version ready for the premier...

If Nissan had announced a "60 kWh" pack option for $9,000, what TSLA said it will charge for the extra ~20 kWh (?) on its model 3, when it begins delivery, would that have been good news in your opinion?

My guess is that Nissan's "60 kWh" pack it will probably cost another ~$6k in ~a year, and relatively few will buy it at that price.

No matter how cheap, I would probably would pass on the larger Nissan pack, if it is hobbled by liquid cooling as some have speculated it might.


$6k? seriously... that won't sell but then again. maybe that is why they didn't do it.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:23 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:
phr00t wrote:They really should have had the 60kWh / 200+ mile version ready for the premier...

If Nissan had announced a "60 kWh" pack option for $9,000, what TSLA said it will charge for the extra ~20 kWh (?) on its model 3, when it begins delivery, would that have been good news in your opinion?

My guess is that Nissan's "60 kWh" pack it will probably cost another ~$6k in ~a year, and relatively few will buy it at that price.

No matter how cheap, I would probably would pass on the larger Nissan pack, if it is hobbled by liquid cooling as some have speculated it might.


$6k? seriously... that won't sell but then again. maybe that is why they didn't do it.


30 kWh LEAFs are selling for under $20k with the Nissan $10k rebate
While the face-lifted 40 kWh LEAF is offered for $30k

Doesn't that work out to $1000 a kWh ? Tesla better up their game :lol:
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:11 am

SageBrush wrote:30 kWh LEAFs are selling for under $20k with the Nissan $10k rebate
While the face-lifted 40 kWh LEAF is offered for $30k

Doesn't that work out to $1000 a kWh ? Tesla better up their game :lol:


No, it doesn't. That $10k doesn't just buy you an extra 10kWh in the same old car. It buys you a brand new design, with significant technology upgrades.

The EV community's singular focus on battery size / range really gets old. Nissan is aiming to keep the Leaf the #1 selling EV worldwide. And their world includes more than the US. Much more.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:17 am

Nissan rep's comment on "60 kWh" pack range, for those of you interested:

Bertel Schmitt
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Grinning Schillaci says that bigger battery Leaf "will have more than 225 mile range."

https://twitter.com/BertelSchmitt/statu ... 7337985024

Of course if the "60Kwh" really has ~50% more EPA range than the "40 kWh" pack, it suggests either a very significant increase in energy density, or that the LBC allows a higher percentage of the larger pack's total capacity to be accesed by the driver.

If either of those possibilities occur, and the EPA range is more than 225 miles, it's more likely my earlier $6,000 guess for the cost for the option may turn out to have been too low...

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SageBrush wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:So, your point is?

More Nissan's point actually, that battery longevity correlates most strongly with average annual ambient temperature.

I don't recall any Nissan Rep ever saying anything that stupid.

Another case where you just made it up?

Of course, there seem to be a few forum members living in the San Diego area, who have convinced themselves their own LEAF packs lost battery capacity at almost the same rate as a LEAF from Fresno would...

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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:00 am

Which EV has had issues with battery capacity degradation (more than 20% over a 3 year period)?

Which EV has more owners that complain about battery degradation?

okay, which EV does NOT have an active Thermal Management System?

Please spin your answers as best you can. It's always entertaining.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:25 pm

The Wired review below sums up the 2018 LEAF, and IMO, identifies the key factors, likely to lead to its success.

NISSAN’S NEW LEAF IS AN OK ELECTRIC CAR—AND THAT’S A GREAT THING

SOME ELECTRIC CARS chase superlatives. Fast, flashy, pricey rides like the BMW i8 and Tesla’s top-spec Model S, out to prove the century-long dominance of the internal combustion engine over battery power is nothing but an historical error. Other EVs take a less combative approach. They present themselves as solid and standard, cars anybody could drive and deem an acceptable replacement for their gas-powered ride.
The second generation of the Nissan Leaf, unveiled this week, proudly stands in the latter category. Its styling is mainstream, nothing that screams "eco-warrior." Its tech features are new enough to be exciting and familiar enough to avoid putting off or confusing drivers. Its 150-mile range puts it right in the middle of the EV field—less than the best, more than the rest.

"We’re not going for the most impressive headlines or capabilities, that’s not the space we’re playing in,” says Brian Maragno, the automaker's director of sales and marketing for EVs. “Nissan is a high-volume manufacturer. We build high quality products.”...

https://www.wired.com/story/nissans-new ... eat-thing/

From what I've seen on a screen, and heard from reviewers, the 2018 LEAF looks like a vehicle of consistently high quality, in design and execution, something I hope will be fully confirmed after I get a chance to drive it.

The Bolt's quality felt a level below my 2011 LEAF when I took it for a drive.

How likely is the model 3 to overcome the record of below-average build quality and reliability of other Tesla's, all of which cost several times as much as the 3?

Any of the compliance/conversion BEVs...seriously?

The only player having a real shot to compete with Nissan in the worldwide mass market is Hyundai/Kia, and only if it is able to increase vehicle production fast enough, and price the ioniq (and all its other new BEVS) aggressively enough.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:53 pm

40kWh vs 60kWh... hmmm

If you really did need more than 40kWh, say, once a week... how much would you pay to not spend 30min/wk at a DCQC?

And if you occasionally need to drive over 300 miles, perhaps a pure EV isn't the best fit.
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