DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:12 pm

Nubo wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote: Maybe if the numbers were red, but they are white, so they'll wash out in sunlight. As for a test drive, I won't be able to take one before, I'm guessing, mid Winter. By that time I may be driving a Bolt, which I'll be able to test drive as soon as I walk into Chevy dealer that has them in stock. If not, then a test drive won't restore the 80% setting, or give me Pro Park. The latter bit is sadly funny: I didn't even know about it until this week, when Nissan trumpeted it, making me want it badly. Then we find out that the US won't get it. Nissan seems to be competing with GM all right - in the "Why the eff did they do THAT??!" department.


We'll disagree about the speedo.

I do agree about the lack of charge limiter; there's no technical reason for them to omit it and I don't really buy the EPA excuse. Tesla navigates that issue just fine. I think it's more of a PR move to not cause "battery anxiety". And that's unfortunate and ultimately self-defeating for Nissan because an 80% charge is better for the batteries if you don't need the range. The ability to choose a charging endpoint should be a standard feature on any EV.

I'd like more info on WHY Nissan is not activating the parking feature in US. Seems odd. Is American parking more difficult than Japanese parking? I'd suspect not; we have huge vehicles and the spots are usually sized to accommodate them. Probably some issue with "Lawyers in Love".

That being said, neither the charge limit nor the park deletion are major issues for me. I can get what I want with the timers and I know how to park and how to parallel park. Judging from the demonstrations I've seen, I can certainly park more quickly than the car can. And that's even without a 360-degree camera display, which will make parking childs'-play anyway.

But everyone's needs and wants are different. Bolt may well be the right car for you. The next few years are going to be great because the talk about EV's is going to be less about how they're Golf Carts, or how "Al Gore wants you to freeze to death in the dark", and more about which EVs people prefer. As we approach the steep part of the adoption curve.


Actually its just the opposite. the parking in Japan IS that much more difficult they need it. I could care less about pro park. What does it matter anyway? It's usually the cars already parked that is causing the issue.

As far as charging level? hmmm, might have something for that?
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:15 pm

BrockWI wrote:I might have missed this but does the Nissan have a "hilltop" mode for charging? At least the Bolt has that correct?


Bolt yes, Leaf (after 2013) no.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:16 pm

As far as charging level? hmmm, might have something for that?


Translation, please.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:51 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
As far as charging level? hmmm, might have something for that?


Translation, please.


working on verifying first. Did you know that you can now start AND stop charging remotely?
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:23 pm

I looked for that on the photos of the app and didn't see any sign of it. If so, that would be very helpful. That must be their idea of a charge limiter: count hours and use the app to stop charging. Feh.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:21 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:So, your point is?

More Nissan's point actually, that battery longevity correlates most strongly with average annual ambient temperature.

I don't recall any Nissan Rep ever saying anything that stupid.

Note: NEC (Nissan's partner in the AESC joint venture, which manufactures the battery packs for the LEAF) used Arrhenius Law in testing a new electrolyte additive that doubled the life of the battery. Interestingly, they found a factor of 3.2 in battery life between the hottest and coldest cities used in their simulation, close to the 2.64 factor estimated between Phoenix and Seattle. Using a model of 66% cycle time and 33% storage time they calculated a doubling of capacity loss with every 6.85 degrees C. increase in temperature for the newly developed battery.

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Batt ... acity_Loss

What you are able to remember hardly seems worth the effort.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:21 am

Quite a few have now been able to look at 2018's in person, in the USA.

I assume All the LEAF's on display showed US build?

Anyone checking the LEAF's for production dates and serial #'s?

Reportedly, the 2018 is already in production in Japan, but I haven't seen announcement of when production will start at Smyrna, other than "later" this year.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:49 am

Rumor is Smyrna is ahead of schedule and LEAFs could be available in December. The plan as I understand it, is for LEAFs to be available in all 50 states in January which means they could be available in some states earlier. As of this morning according to cars.com, there are less than 1000 LEAFs available nationwide.
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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:05 am

edatoakrun wrote:Quite a few have now been able to look at 2018's in person, in the USA.

I assume All the LEAF's on display showed US build?

Anyone checking the LEAF's for production dates and serial #'s?

Reportedly, the 2018 is already in production in Japan, but I haven't seen announcement of when production will start at Smyrna, other than "later" this year.


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Re: Leaf Gen 2 - New Nissan LEAF World Premier on Sep 5, 5:30 PM PDT

Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:52 pm

I recognize that this is a probably a question none of us have the answer to, but I'd love to fined out the width (from mirror edge to mirror edge). My 2011 is 77 1/2 inches. My garage is so old that we only have three inches or so to spare on each side. So if the Gan 2 is much wider than the 2011 (mirror to mirror) we're going to have to think about pulling one or both of them in as we park.

I'm sure that the manufacturer specs for width do not include the extra width of the mirrors.
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