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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:40 am

With the lower-profile appearance, what is the headroom of the new LEAF? Has it been reduced?
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 am

still a bunch (more now!) of batteries in a sealed box? Still no REAL fast charging network? No deal Nissan. Not fooling anyone.

C'mon you were supposed to improve things. "Let's just make it look 'nicer' and put in more range". And please tell us more about 100Kw charging that doesn't exist at all. Not competitive. Unless you were needing to hold onto that 3 year lease crowd...
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:27 am

finman100 wrote:still a bunch (more now!) of batteries in a sealed box?...

No, same battery architecture, but more Wh to each cell, with only a slight weight increase.

A good battery design, improved.

It would be a real positive, IMO, if Nissan ever allows its use in Gen one LEAFs.
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:40 am

Yeah, but there's obviously a higher density of cells within the same volume as the 30 kWh pack, so that doesn't bode well for heat dissipation in hotter climates, if Nissan has done nothing to improve passive cooling.

I'm not saying that's the case, but it sure would be nice if Nissan would provide some technical details so prospective buyers can have some confidence that their Leaf battery packs aren't going to have premature degradation. If I was considering a new EV purchase and I lived in Arizona, Texas, or even So Cal, I would be very hesitant to purchase a 2018 Leaf without some good technical explanations from Nissan why things will be different this time around.
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:52 am

alozzy wrote:Yeah, but there's obviously a higher density of cells within the same volume as the 30 kWh pack, so that doesn't bode well for heat dissipation in hotter climates, if Nissan has done nothing to improve passive cooling.

I'm not saying that's the case, but it sure would be nice if Nissan would provide some technical details so prospective buyers can have some confidence that their Leaf battery packs aren't going to have premature degradation. If I was considering a new EV purchase and I lived in Arizona, Texas, or even So Cal, I would be very hesitant to purchase a 2018 Leaf without some good technical explanations from Nissan why things will be different this time around.



All else being equal, a higher capacity battery should produce less heat per unit of work. But of course rarely is all else equal. :P
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:16 am

edatoakrun wrote:
finman100 wrote:still a bunch (more now!) of batteries in a sealed box?...

No, same battery architecture, but more Wh to each cell, with only a slight weight increase.

Perhaps, or a case with tighter packaging.
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:53 am

Is there a charge limiter with leaf 2? I miss it very much on my 2016. :(
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:18 pm

edatoakrun wrote:Official efficiency/range ratings (Monroney sticker #s) for all variants?

Production/sales goals, USA and World-wide?

Any promotional offers (hint) for current USA LEAF owners?

Nissan targets new Leaf global sales of more than 90,000 a year

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-nissan ... op+News%29

So, only ~40k sales in the USA?

Both figures disappointing, IMO, unless Nissan is deliberately setting the bar low, to prevent falling short of predictions, as it did with Gen one sales.

Slightly more optimistic:

Nissan Motor Co. is aiming to more than double annual deliveries of the Leaf with a new model that offers self parking and longer driving range, seeking to fend off Tesla Inc.’s entry into the affordable electric-vehicle market...

The Yokohama-based automaker sold 49,000 Leafs in 2016...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... range-leaf
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:02 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:So, only ~40k sales in the USA?

Both figures disappointing, IMO, unless Nissan is deliberately setting the bar low, to prevent falling short of predictions, as it did with Gen one sales.
US sales accounted for 40% of the LEAF world total in 2015
30% of the total in 2016

Disappointing, but expected.
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Re: Post your questions about the '18 LEAF 2 reveal here

Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:57 pm

pamplemousse wrote:What color are the rear turn signals? Are they LED? (Wishing for yellow LED!)


They are yellow-amber in the test drive vid in another topic. Probably a US requirement.
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