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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:30 am

edatoakrun wrote:Comments of note by the Nissan employee conducting the test drives.

I don't think he was a Nissan employee, but rather that of a firm that Nissan hired to run the program, supply the driver/ride-along person, etc.

One of the those folks, possibly the company owner/head actually posted in https://www.facebook.com/groups/BMWi3 within the past few months about the program and mentioned his firm's involvement with other programs, including for BMW. I unfortunately don't remember his name and don't know whether or not his post was deleted. Some folks there are errr... not happy (for lack of a better word) when people start new threads that aren't about the i3.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:59 am

cwerdna wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Its a foregone conclusion that 9.6 KW charging is likely to be the norm in less than 2 years

Why do you say that?

Other than Teslas-powered EVs, I've seen no other mainstream EVs or PHEVs ship with above 7.2 kW OBC in the US. Many PHEVs still ship with lame 3.x kW OBCs w/no option to go higher (e.g. gen 2 Volt, I believe all Ford PHEVs, Prius Prime, most/all BMW PHEVs except the i3 REx, etc.)

I've personally never seen any public J1772 charging that is capable of over 30 or 32 amps.

Are you saying we're suddenly going to see many more vehicles w/9.6+ kW OBCs and many 40 amp public L2 EVSEs within 2 years?


primary reason is the inability to get a full recharge within the period set aside for most TOU programs. The Bolt recharge time is already 9+ hours. Manufacturers should be targeting no more than 8.

Do I understand that reality dictates that the max charge time would be needed at best a few times a month if that? Of course I do.

Has Reality EVER made a difference in the consumer's mind? NEVER, not one single time in the history of Auto Consumerism and common sense purchasing is NOT going to start now.

The Bolt has several questionable cost cutting features and the L2 speed is one of them. When the glow of Big Battery fades, people will be asking for it.

Besides; you said it yourself "Other than Tesla" ;)
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:08 pm

Via GCR:
2018 Nissan Leaf: an early Leaf driver's impressions (he has a Tesla too)
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1114532_2018-nissan-leaf-an-early-leaf-drivers-impressions-he-has-a-tesla-too

Kind of meh. He's waiting for 60kWh with ATM. He did note it has an actual analog speedo (photo). 6.6kW vs. 6.0kW L2.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:37 pm

Nissan brought a loaded 2018 LEAF to me yesterday for our 1 hour test drive.

I was particularly impressed with the ProPILOT system, the optional e-Pedal option and the new safety features.
The comfort and ride quality was even better than our 2011, which we still have.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:34 pm

ePedal is standard. It's Pro Pilot that is optional.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:36 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:ePedal is standard. It's Pro Pilot that is optional.
When i say optional I mean that you can disengage it. I did that for long downhills where a traditional system was preferable so i could coast.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:19 pm

gbshaun wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:ePedal is standard. It's Pro Pilot that is optional.
When i say optional I mean that you can disengage it. I did that for long downhills where a traditional system was preferable so i could coast.


How does the regen level compare to the current Leaf in D and in Eco?
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:01 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
gbshaun wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:ePedal is standard. It's Pro Pilot that is optional.
When i say optional I mean that you can disengage it. I did that for long downhills where a traditional system was preferable so i could coast.


How does the regen level compare to the current Leaf in D and in Eco?



Hi, I had a test drive of a 2018 SV last night in Southern California. I had a 2013 SV which was returned last February, after extending the lease to over 3.5 years.

The regen with e-pedal is much much better than the regen on the prior version Leaf. This is now a true e-pedal, one pedal driving.

With the E-pedal enabled, it will come to a complete stop with no brake, and much more aggressively than the regen on the prior generation. I drove almost the entire time without touching the brake in both Freeway rush hour and side street driving. Once you get used to the balance between acceleration/coasting/regen, you can truly drive with the one pedal. There is a button next to the shifter that enables/disables e-pedal.

Also, with e-pedal on, there is zero creep. The car stays stopped.
The regen is more aggressive. The braking on the 2018 is also much better. With the 2013 SV , the brakes were very "grabby" when you were reaching a stop.

I also drove about 20 minutes in rush hour traffic in Orange County, CA, with the Pro-pilot enabled.. It does a very good job staying in its lane and following the car in front.. The pro-pilot/Cruise was set for 3 car distance from the car in front, and did a great job.

The interior fabric is much nicer than my old 2013 Leaf SV.. The drive was a bit sportier, and the motor did a good job on "passing" acceleration when already moving at 55+, as opposed to the 2013, which was a slug at Freeway speeds.

Exterior is also more appealing, not as dorky. I would agree with the others that the 2018 model is more like a generation 1.5 Leaf. The controls for Heat/AC/Fan appear to be same from prior generation, and still only one USB slot in front. The Touch screen is a bit larger, and much more responsive and much better resolution. The 2013 model map/center display was the worst.

Overall, I think I would lease a 2018 , if the prices come down a bit closer to my 2013 SV $268/month tax inclusive pmt.
The $3900 down payment I have been seeing is a bit steep.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:55 pm

How does the regen level compare to the current Leaf in D and in Eco?
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:23 pm

In the test drive of the 2018, I think I put it in B mode.. not 100% sure, but with the new e-pedal enabled, the regen is much stronger and a true one pedal driving. I think it overrides the B mode, if there was even a B mode.... (sorry, was so happy with the e-pedal) I think D/B mode is irrelevant with e-pedal enabled.... the e-pedal takes over for all regen.

There is still an "eco" mode as well. It restricts the accelerator as it did in the pre-2018 models. If I had a 2018 model, I would drive with e-pedal 100% of the time, for the regen, unless going downhill, but even then, you can control the amount of regen by adjusting the accelerator a bit. This is how I controlled regen downhill in B mode on my 2013 if the regen was too strong for a smaller hill.

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