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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:04 am

Trust with Nissan is still an issue for me. Our 2012 leaf at time of purchase was advertised to achieve 100 mile range. Finding out that the 24 kWh battery capacity wasn't fully useable. So the 100 mile range wasn't attainable for that reason and possably others. If anyone achieved 100 mile range I doubt it wasn't normal driving to get it.

Second issue was at one of the Nissan Dealer computer updates the regen braking all but disappeared. After repeated visits to the dealer and many phone calls to I finally had one Nissan person admit tinkering with the regen to prolong battery life.

Conclusion: Distrust because of their deceptive business practices. I hope they get better. If they claim 140 mile range in the gen 2 leaf, it shouldn't be difficult to get that or even greater.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:56 am

Here is some information about a possible tie-up between the LEAF+ and LG http://pushevs.com/2017/09/08/lg-chem-will-introduce-ncm-811-battery-cells-evs-next-year/

Thoughts?
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:31 am

OrientExpress wrote:Here is some information about a possible tie-up between the LEAF+ and LG http://pushevs.com/2017/09/08/lg-chem-will-introduce-ncm-811-battery-cells-evs-next-year/

Thoughts?

Pedro has always been partial to ATM (and has also been in error in some of his previous LEAF battery predictions) but his article seems to imply the obvious, that adding a liquid coolant loop (or other ATM) to the LEAF will lower the pack density to the point that it seems unlikely ~60 kWh will fit into the LEAF's existing battery bay.

Is there any reason why this LG battery needs LC, as opposed to those previous LG-powered BEV designs, which did not use it?
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:20 pm

Enjoyed your review Dave. Lots of interesting details that I hadn't picked up elsewhere.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:37 pm

Thanks Dave and Orient, for a generally good thread.

Just got back from the Drive Electric gathering in Stillacoom Wa. I picked up a 2018 flyer at Dave's table (thanks Dave). A sentence about charging caught my eye:

" A Level 2 charge is as easy as plugging the available charger into a 240-V outlet, no wall-mounted box required."

Does this mean that we no longer will need to have an EVSE on our garage walls?

The DOT Blink installed in my garage is plugged into a 240 volt outlet that the electrician who installed the unit under the initial "free" program put in. It's a 240 volt 40 amp dedicated circuit. I'd love to throw the Blink EVSE away and just plug in a chord from Nissan.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:47 pm

rdhauser wrote:Thanks Dave and Orient, for a generally good thread.

Just got back from the Drive Electric gathering in Stillacoom Wa. I picked up a 2018 flyer at Dave's table (thanks Dave). A sentence about charging caught my eye:

" A Level 2 charge is as easy as plugging the available charger into a 240-V outlet, no wall-mounted box required."

Does this mean that we no longer will need to have an EVSE on our garage walls?


The Nissan-supplied portable EVSE will be capable of 120V as well as 240V Level 2 charging. It's in Dave's review linked in the first post.

http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2017/09/2018-leaf.html

I.e., no wall-mounted box required because the car can be had with its own portable L2 EVSE.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:38 pm

Of course, in the US you have to have a compatible 240 volt outlet, or a non-compatible one and a second adapter. This is mainly a benefit in Europe.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:42 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:So pretty obvious to me that the LEAF was not the showcase here, its Pro Pilot and I predict Pro Pilot will be a HUGE hit. Its not autonomous driving by any means but it WILL prevent a lot of accidents caused by driver fatigue or inattention. And its a fraction of the cost of Tesla AP.


This is what excites me. I don't need ProPilot for stop-and-go traffic. I almost never see it. (In contrast to your rapidly growing populations, ours is stagnant/shrinking. In many places, the roads are larger than they need to be for the volume of traffic, because they were built for a larger population). What I do need is a system that will help me during long late-night drives down the interstate. It's easy to zone out and start wandering out of your lane. Coffee only helps so much.


Gonna have to wait for Pro Pilot II then cause Pro Pilot will begin to bring your car to a stop in roughly 15-20 if you don't respond to prompts to put hands on steering wheel. In Sal's video drive, the Nissan rep does a pretty good job of explaining the process. The car will roll to a dead stop in the middle of your lane with hazard lights flashing.


You misunderstand me. I never said anything about hands off the wheel. I'm talking about driving late at night and getting tired. I'm not proud of it, but there have been times when I have hit the rumble strips before pulling back into my lane. ProPilot would prevent that from happening in the first place, would it not? And 15-20 seconds is an eternity. When I have done this, the whole process takes 2-3 seconds.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:51 pm

In your blog entry, you wrote
DaveinOlyWA wrote:6.6 KW charging for all! (If you have the proper level 2 EVSE) This is the first year Nissan will be providing a dual power EVSE charging at 120 volts (likely at 12 amps) or 240 volts (will provide the full 6.6 KW or 27.5 amps meaning a 40 amp service will be needed) but its only standard on the SL trim. You must have the charge package on the S trim to get it or the tech package on the SV to get it.

At https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2296901, it's been pointed out to me that 6.6 kW OBC on all trims may not be true.

Not sure if Zaxxon over there is right or if there's some issue with https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/2018-leaf/. What he points out is still there today.

If we don't know by this Thursday, 9/14, I'll be asking that question to the Nissan corporate rep at a Sunnyvale EVent that evening.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:30 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Of course, in the US you have to have a compatible 240 volt outlet, or a non-compatible one and a second adapter. This is mainly a benefit in Europe.


For someone new to EVs, it means they don't have to purchase an EVSE to get Level 2 charging. Seems like a pretty nice improvement over Gen 1.
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