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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:13 pm

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LeftieBiker wrote:Of course, in the US you have to have a compatible 240 volt outlet, or a non-compatible one and a second adapter. This is mainly a benefit in Europe.


For someone new to EVs, it means they don't have to purchase an EVSE to get Level 2 charging. Seems like a pretty nice improvement over Gen 1.


IF you have a 240 volt outlet. Leafs always came with 120 volt EVSEs.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:25 pm

LeftieBiker wrote: IF you have a 240 volt outlet. Leafs always came with 120 volt EVSEs.

It's also unclear to me if versions w/o the 120/240 volt L1/L2 EVSE will come with an L1 120 volt EVSE at all.

If not, that'd be a big departure from all previous Leafs and likely all/virtually all EVs/PHEVs sold in the US.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:31 pm

It appears to be part of the Tech Package. They show it with an included 120 volt adapter, so I'm guessing they learned from EVSE Upgrade.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:41 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:They show it with an included 120 volt adapter, so I'm guessing they learned from EVSE Upgrade.

Nissan's known about the desire that a 120 to 240 volt EVSE be included for a LONG time. In fact, Phil himself at the Dec 2011 meeting (some pics at viewtopic.php?p=155656#p155656 and viewtopic.php?p=155782#p155782) at the podium asked Nissan to do so, in front of all the Nissan corporate folks. I recall he even acknowledged this would basically put an end to his cottage EVSE upgrade business.

I mentioned this at viewtopic.php?p=246433#p246433 and I was at the meeting, well before I had a Leaf. Others indicated this in their recap notes (e.g. viewtopic.php?p=155554#p155554).

Kadota-san himself mentioned at that meeting, it was the Leaf's 1st birthday.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:22 pm

cwerdna wrote:In your blog entry, you wrote
DaveinOlyWA wrote:6.6 KW charging for all! (If you have the proper level 2 EVSE) This is the first year Nissan will be providing a dual power EVSE charging at 120 volts (likely at 12 amps) or 240 volts (will provide the full 6.6 KW or 27.5 amps meaning a 40 amp service will be needed) but its only standard on the SL trim. You must have the charge package on the S trim to get it or the tech package on the SV to get it.

At https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2296901, it's been pointed out to me that 6.6 kW OBC on all trims may not be true.

Not sure if Zaxxon over there is right or if there's some issue with https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/2018-leaf/. What he points out is still there today.

If we don't know by this Thursday, 9/14, I'll be asking that question to the Nissan corporate rep at a Sunnyvale EVent that evening.


The link you have here is talking about chademo. I can see how it would be interpreted either way especially when you look at the charging specs that stll list 3 KW charge times.

On the flip side; the charge package for the S says nothing about 6.6 KW charging so what would lead anyone to think that 6.6 charging was included with chademo on the S?
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:28 pm

https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/2018-leaf/ also has similarly confusing verbiage in at least 2 other places.

Example:
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Re: charge package, it doesn't mention it adds 6.6 kW OBC but oddly does mention it in the if you click on the star.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:32 pm

cwerdna wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote: IF you have a 240 volt outlet. Leafs always came with 120 volt EVSEs.

It's also unclear to me if versions w/o the 120/240 volt L1/L2 EVSE will come with an L1 120 volt EVSE at all.

If not, that'd be a big departure from all previous Leafs and likely all/virtually all EVs/PHEVs sold in the US.


This is one of MANY things that were unclear to participants of the drive event. I can't imagine what's its like to be in your shoes. I wasn't in Seattle long enough this morning to talk with anyone there but it was pretty obvious that most there were not LEAF knowledgeable. In fact, just questions about the Ride and Drive event for the local area was a difficult thing to get info on. The person who "helped" sign me up had to keep asking this other person questions so he could answer my questions.

I would think the basic 120 volt EVSE would be included as always since I run into people every day who use nothing but...
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:02 pm

For the S. version if you order the quick charge package, you get the L1/L2 charger. For the SV the L1/L2 EVSE comes with the Technology package. For the SL the L1/L2 evse is included.

In all the info I have, the S & SV don't have an L1 charger included, but the L1/L2 is available as a dealer parts counter option for those that desire it.

This follows GM in not requiring you to pay for an EVSE unless you need one and is welcome news. We only used the L1 EVSE on our '11 LEAF once or twice, and we have never used the one that came with our '14 car.

The 6.6 kW OBC is standard on all trim levels.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:44 pm

@OrientExpress
The 6.6 kW OBC is standard on all trim levels


How are you certain that the 6.6 kW charger is standard on all trim levels? @cwerdna pointed out several places on nissanusa.com that seems to contradict that...

Hope you are right though ;)
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:51 pm

This follows GM in not requiring you to pay for an EVSE unless you need one and is welcome news.


GM includes an L-1/L-2-capable EVSE for free with the Bolt. Their listing for an EVSE is for those wanting a second unit. It appears that Nissan will no longer be giving us a free EVSE unless we buy an SL. We will have to pay for the Charge or Tech Package to get one.
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