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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:33 am

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This follows GM in not requiring you to pay for an EVSE unless you need one and is welcome news.


GM includes an L-1/L-2-capable EVSE for free with the Bolt. Their listing for an EVSE is for those wanting a second unit. It appears that Nissan will no longer be giving us a free EVSE unless we buy an SL. We will have to pay for the Charge or Tech Package to get one.


Well, that is certainly one way to look at it, but the intent is to keep the price as low as possible and let those that want an EVSE to pay for one and those that don't, not have to pay for something that is going to sit in the attic.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:34 am

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The 6.6 kW OBC is standard on all trim levels


How are you certain that the 6.6 kW charger is standard on all trim levels? @cwerdna pointed out several places on nissanusa.com that seems to contradict that...

Hope you are right though ;)


The trim level content list (under POWER/EV Unique Items) for the S trim calls out the 6.6kW OBC as standard.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:37 pm

OrientExpress wrote:The trim level content list (under POWER/EV Unique Items) for the S trim calls out the 6.6kW OBC as standard.

Where are you seeing that? Have an URL? Screenshot?

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:35 pm

I don't honestly remember where, but I've seen the 2018 base S listed with the 3.3kw charger.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:48 pm

Well I saw what Andrew posted and the reference was to the fast charge port.

I think we need to focus on the fact that the S fast charge option does not mention L2 charging speed which likely means it's part of the standard package. We did not have an S to look at in Vegas
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:18 pm

cwerdna wrote:In your blog entry, you wrote
DaveinOlyWA wrote:6.6 KW charging for all! (If you have the proper level 2 EVSE) This is the first year Nissan will be providing a dual power EVSE charging at 120 volts (likely at 12 amps) or 240 volts (will provide the full 6.6 KW or 27.5 amps meaning a 40 amp service will be needed) but its only standard on the SL trim. You must have the charge package on the S trim to get it or the tech package on the SV to get it.

At https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2296901, it's been pointed out to me that 6.6 kW OBC on all trims may not be true.

Not sure if Zaxxon over there is right or if there's some issue with https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/2018-leaf/. What he points out is still there today.

If we don't know by this Thursday, 9/14, I'll be asking that question to the Nissan corporate rep at a Sunnyvale EVent that evening.

So, I just returned from the Sunnyvale EVent.

In the marketing guy's (Brian, he's from corporate based in Franklin, TN) slides, it specifically mentions 6.6 kW OBC even on the S trim. I confirmed w/him verbally afterward that all trims, even base S would include 6.6 kW OBC.

I also asked him afterward if the versions w/o the 120/240 volt EVSE would still include a 120 volt L1 EVSE. He said yes. In his presentation, he also mentioned the parts depts would also stock the dual voltage EVSE.

He did have an entry for the model year 2019 Leaf which he said would have 225+ miles of range. I asked if he could comment model year or calendar year. Model year was all he could say on that.

One interesting slide he had up, which I should've taken a pic of was comparing the 2018 base Leaf with a few other competitors (Ioniq Electric, e-Golf and Focus Electric). They all cost within $500 to $1K of 2018 S but had less range, around 115 - 124 miles on EPA test and all of them had less hp (or kW) than the Leaf.

The slide also had entries for Bolt, Model 3 and lastly, the greater range MY 2019 Leaf w/price TBD.

He also confirmed that one of the screen choices on the left LCD is a digital speedometer.

There was the question about whether e-Pedal would use friction brakes to slow down if the battery was already very full (e.g. near 100%). The answer was yes. :/ Question: Is there a setting to charge to a lower level than 100%? Answer: No. :(

The vehicle on display looked like a fully loaded 1 w/CHAdeMO, I think the ProPilot (blue) button), leather and power driver's seat. I recall seeing a camera at the top of the windshield near the mirror. The VIN started with a 1, so it was built in the US, not Japan.

The turnout was big and it was weird to have a long line to get into a Nissan building. A big thank you to Nissan for hosting the event and bringing a 2018 Leaf!

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:47 am

cwerdna wrote:So, I just returned from the Sunnyvale EVent.

The vehicle on display looked like a fully loaded 1 w/CHAdeMO, I think the ProPilot (blue) button), leather and power driver's seat. I recall seeing a camera at the top of the windshield near the mirror. The VIN started with a 1, so it was built in the US, not Japan.

The turnout was big and it was weird to have a long line to get into a Nissan building. A big thank you to Nissan for hosting the event and bringing a 2018 Leaf!

Thanks for following up on the questions! So... how did it look "in the metal"? What did you think?
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:06 am

cwerdna wrote:In the marketing guy's (Brian, he's from corporate based in Franklin, TN) slides, it specifically mentions 6.6 kW OBC even on the S trim. I confirmed w/him verbally afterward that all trims, even base S would include 6.6 kW OBC.

I also asked him afterward if the versions w/o the 120/240 volt EVSE would still include a 120 volt L1 EVSE. He said yes. In his presentation, he also mentioned the parts depts would also stock the dual voltage EVSE.

He did have an entry for the model year 2019 Leaf which he said would have 225+ miles of range. I asked if he could comment model year or calendar year. Model year was all he could say on that.

One interesting slide he had up, which I should've taken a pic of was comparing the 2018 base Leaf with a few other competitors (Ioniq Electric, e-Golf and Focus Electric). They all cost within $500 to $1K of 2018 S but had less range, around 115 - 124 miles on EPA test and all of them had less hp (or kW) than the Leaf.

The slide also had entries for Bolt, Model 3 and lastly, the greater range MY 2019 Leaf w/price TBD.

He also confirmed that one of the screen choices on the left LCD is a digital speedometer.

There was the question about whether e-Pedal would use friction brakes to slow down if the battery was already very full (e.g. near 100%). The answer was yes. :/ Question: Is there a setting to charge to a lower level than 100%? Answer: No. :(

The vehicle on display looked like a fully loaded 1 w/CHAdeMO, I think the ProPilot (blue) button), leather and power driver's seat. I recall seeing a camera at the top of the windshield near the mirror. The VIN started with a 1, so it was built in the US, not Japan.

The turnout was big and it was weird to have a long line to get into a Nissan building. A big thank you to Nissan for hosting the event and bringing a 2018 Leaf!


It's good to hear that Brian reiterated everything that I had posted. :D
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:53 am

cwerdna wrote:
cwerdna wrote:In your blog entry, you wrote
DaveinOlyWA wrote:6.6 KW charging for all! (If you have the proper level 2 EVSE) This is the first year Nissan will be providing a dual power EVSE charging at 120 volts (likely at 12 amps) or 240 volts (will provide the full 6.6 KW or 27.5 amps meaning a 40 amp service will be needed) but its only standard on the SL trim. You must have the charge package on the S trim to get it or the tech package on the SV to get it.

At https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2296901, it's been pointed out to me that 6.6 kW OBC on all trims may not be true.

Not sure if Zaxxon over there is right or if there's some issue with https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/2018-leaf/. What he points out is still there today.

If we don't know by this Thursday, 9/14, I'll be asking that question to the Nissan corporate rep at a Sunnyvale EVent that evening.

So, I just returned from the Sunnyvale EVent.

In the marketing guy's (Brian, he's from corporate based in Franklin, TN) slides, it specifically mentions 6.6 kW OBC even on the S trim. I confirmed w/him verbally afterward that all trims, even base S would include 6.6 kW OBC.

I also asked him afterward if the versions w/o the 120/240 volt EVSE would still include a 120 volt L1 EVSE. He said yes. In his presentation, he also mentioned the parts depts would also stock the dual voltage EVSE.

He did have an entry for the model year 2019 Leaf which he said would have 225+ miles of range. I asked if he could comment model year or calendar year. Model year was all he could say on that.

One interesting slide he had up, which I should've taken a pic of was comparing the 2018 base Leaf with a few other competitors (Ioniq Electric, e-Golf and Focus Electric). They all cost within $500 to $1K of 2018 S but had less range, around 115 - 124 miles on EPA test and all of them had less hp (or kW) than the Leaf.

The slide also had entries for Bolt, Model 3 and lastly, the greater range MY 2019 Leaf w/price TBD.

He also confirmed that one of the screen choices on the left LCD is a digital speedometer.

There was the question about whether e-Pedal would use friction brakes to slow down if the battery was already very full (e.g. near 100%). The answer was yes. :/ Question: Is there a setting to charge to a lower level than 100%? Answer: No. :(

The vehicle on display looked like a fully loaded 1 w/CHAdeMO, I think the ProPilot (blue) button), leather and power driver's seat. I recall seeing a camera at the top of the windshield near the mirror. The VIN started with a 1, so it was built in the US, not Japan.

The turnout was big and it was weird to have a long line to get into a Nissan building. A big thank you to Nissan for hosting the event and bringing a 2018 Leaf!


Thanks for the update. At least the 2019 Leaf will have a slightly longer range than the base Tesla Model 3.

It will come with the faster 100 kW Chademo, right but for home charging, it will be like the rest with 6.6?

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:21 am

Thanks for the detailed trip report, cwerdna!
cwerdna wrote:Question: Is there a setting to charge to a lower level than 100%? Answer: No. :(
Truly, we have the US EPA to thank for this. Nissan originally provided this option and the EPA "rewarded" them by giving the car a lower EPA range rating. So Nissan solved the problem by eliminating that option.
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