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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:10 am

RegGuheert wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Question: Is there a setting to charge to a lower level than 100%? Answer: No. :(
Truly, we have the US EPA to thank for this. Nissan originally provided this option and the EPA "rewarded" them by giving the car a lower EPA range rating. So Nissan solved the problem by eliminating that option.


True. BUT there are other solutions to this problem that are much more user friendly. Tesla provides a slider for a user-defined charge level. Chevy (Bolt) provides a "hilltop" mode to stop at 90% (nominally to preserve regen when you live on top of a hill). Neither of these are penalized by the EPA.

Surely by 2018 Nissan could have come up with their own flavor of a solution.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:25 pm

internalaudit wrote:
Thanks for the update. At least the 2019 Leaf will have a slightly longer range than the base Tesla Model 3.

It will come with the faster 100 kW Chademo, right but for home charging, it will be like the rest with 6.6?


Keeping 6.6 for 2019 would be a surprise. I would have to predict a bump to the next level 9.6 KW maybe.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:05 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
internalaudit wrote:
Thanks for the update. At least the 2019 Leaf will have a slightly longer range than the base Tesla Model 3.

It will come with the faster 100 kW Chademo, right but for home charging, it will be like the rest with 6.6?


Keeping 6.6 for 2019 would be a surprise. I would have to predict a bump to the next level 9.6 KW maybe.


6.6kW wouldn't surprise me at all, why would it surprise you? Nissan is trying to keep costs down, not be on the cutting edge of specs. 6.6kW can charge a 60kWh battery from empty-full in 10 hours or so (with overhead). IMO, the 100kW fast charging is much more important than going to 9.6kW AC.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:10 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
internalaudit wrote:
Thanks for the update. At least the 2019 Leaf will have a slightly longer range than the base Tesla Model 3.

It will come with the faster 100 kW Chademo, right but for home charging, it will be like the rest with 6.6?


Keeping 6.6 for 2019 would be a surprise. I would have to predict a bump to the next level 9.6 KW maybe.


6.6kW wouldn't surprise me at all, why would it surprise you? Nissan is trying to keep costs down, not be on the cutting edge of specs. 6.6kW can charge a 60kWh battery from empty-full in 10 hours or so (with overhead). IMO, the 100kW fast charging is much more important than going to 9.6kW AC.


+1, I agree. I don't see that changing or needing to change.

Funny thing is if you don't plug the Tesla cord all the way in it will still charge at about 4.4kw and let you know. There is temp monitoring on the handle and even on the light on the charge port that is reported back to the car. There is SOO much data and unseen feedback on the car it's amazing, down to every option and feature and even the maker of the steering column.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:00 am

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cwerdna wrote:So, I just returned from the Sunnyvale EVent.

The vehicle on display looked like a fully loaded 1 w/CHAdeMO, I think the ProPilot (blue) button), leather and power driver's seat. I recall seeing a camera at the top of the windshield near the mirror. The VIN started with a 1, so it was built in the US, not Japan.

The turnout was big and it was weird to have a long line to get into a Nissan building. A big thank you to Nissan for hosting the event and bringing a 2018 Leaf!

Thanks for following up on the questions! So... how did it look "in the metal"? What did you think?

It looked good on the outside, although the hood was up for fair amount of the time. I was the first to open it. :)

Overall, I'd say the car is a big improvement in styling. I was a bit surprised by the some of the sharp corners at the fenders (towards the back where the headlights end) which you can really notice when the hood's up.

I didn't touch all that much of the plastics on top of/around the dash, but it does still seem to have mostly hard plastics. There weren't as many buttons and switches on the left side. Not sure how you configure the charging lock. I haven't watched a video that someone (possibly OrientExpress) took of all the screens for the dash color LCD as I wasn't that interested.

Headroom in the rear seemed like it could be tight for tall people. Haven't compared with mine.

One step back was during a someone asking a question (which I didn't hear too clearly), it sounds like you cannot get rear heated seats at all on the 2018.

I hope I get to see the L1/L2 EVSE w/that giant adapter on Saturday.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:19 am

One step back was during a someone asking a question (which I didn't hear too clearly), it sounds like you cannot get rear heated seats at all on the 2018.


They probably come standard on the SL, and can't be gotten with the other models. Nissan is still looking for ways to force the SL on buyers.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:41 am

They have a couple at the Altcar Expo Saturday and Sunday in Santa Monica, CA that you can play with (but, of course, not drive)... In the flesh it struck me as pleasant but not overtly attractive, but I'm definitely not a fan of the new dashboard...
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:53 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Keeping 6.6 for 2019 would be a surprise. I would have to predict a bump to the next level 9.6 KW maybe.

6.6 kW will remain the std for sometime. Most of the existing infrastructure only supports 32 amps - public charging & home charging.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:43 pm

I have been thinking I wish I could charge at home at 12 or more, but I think that because we often are running a lot in the Leaf and we plug it in as soon as we get home and then leave again 30 minutes later (running kids all over the place) barely having enough range to make it there and back, even starting at 100% in the am, we have at least 3 days a week over 120 miles. So I think being able to charge twice as fast would help out a lot, BUT the catch is if we had a 40 kWh pack we wouldn't need to be charging between runs, we would have enough capacity to just drive one of our busy days without even charging. Another plus is we would likely only have to charge at low rates (8p to 7a at $.0607 / kwh). Although right now during the day we charge with a smaller evse set to 12a at 240vac and charge from our PV system, often pulling from the 24 kWh lead acid bank.

So I believe a larger battery would reduce the need for a larger on board charger.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Drive Review

Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:02 pm

evnow wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Keeping 6.6 for 2019 would be a surprise. I would have to predict a bump to the next level 9.6 KW maybe.

6.6 kW will remain the std for sometime. Most of the existing infrastructure only supports 32 amps - public charging & home charging.

Still, 32a is almost 20% faster than the 27.5a of our current Leafs. I'm all for faster L2 charging, if your EVSE is less than the maximum, it will simply charge at the lower charging rate. 32a(@240v) will give you 7.68kw, IMO a nice jump from our 6.6kw Leafs. 9.6kw would maximize a 50a 14-50 outlet(40a draw) and give one 45% faster charging, nice indeed.
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