DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:55 am

jdcbomb wrote:Wish they would have upgraded the L2 charging port to 7.2 (or 9) at least...must have required reconfiguration of other charging components...


Agreed. 11½ hours on L2 is not attractive.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:46 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:Wish they would have upgraded the L2 charging port to 7.2 (or 9) at least...must have required reconfiguration of other charging components...


Agreed. 11½ hours on L2 is not attractive.


I suppose, but I would guess that most people will not be charging from a low SOC to full very often. I would guess that the only time the vast majority of owners would do that is on long road trips, in which case they can DCQC instead.

I made an argument in another thread that the depth of discharge for a typical 62 kWh e-Plus LEAF will likely be pretty low (i.e. 20-25%) for most owners, leading to slower degradation and many more charging cycles over the lifetime of the pack. After all, most people do the majority of their driving while commuting to/from work...
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:58 pm

alozzy wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:Wish they would have upgraded the L2 charging port to 7.2 (or 9) at least...must have required reconfiguration of other charging components...


Agreed. 11½ hours on L2 is not attractive.


I suppose, but I would guess that most people will not be charging from a low SOC to full very often. I would guess that the only time the vast majority of owners would do that is on long road trips, in which case they can DCQC instead.

I made an argument in another thread that the depth of discharge for a typical 62 kWh e-Plus LEAF will likely be pretty low (i.e. 20-25%) for most owners, leading to slower degradation and many more charging cycles over the lifetime of the pack. After all, most people do the majority of their driving while commuting to/from work...


This is true and if we take our long distance champ TaylorSF and remove his ability to do workplace charging, he would only be charging from about 40% if he fully charged every night. so about 6 hours or so. Plenty of time.

Range to burn has its benefits. :)
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:49 am

alozzy wrote:
I made an argument in another thread that the depth of discharge for a typical 62 kWh e-Plus LEAF will likely be pretty low (i.e. 20-25%) for most owners, leading to slower degradation and many more charging cycles over the lifetime of the pack. After all, most people do the majority of their driving while commuting to/from work...


I was talking about that with my wife and I agree with you completely. One part of me thinks just DC quick charge twice a week to 80% at the dealership for free and save myself about $2000 over 5 years in electricity costs. And the other part of me says just plug it in at home as needed to keep it between 30% and 70% all of the time. Either way, it would rarely be at a high state of charge and would go through a lot less full cycles than my Gen1... probably the only time I'd charge it higher than 80% is on an out of town trip (which would be extremely rare in the Leaf).
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:44 am

golfcart wrote:
alozzy wrote:
I made an argument in another thread that the depth of discharge for a typical 62 kWh e-Plus LEAF will likely be pretty low (i.e. 20-25%) for most owners, leading to slower degradation and many more charging cycles over the lifetime of the pack. After all, most people do the majority of their driving while commuting to/from work...


I was talking about that with my wife and I agree with you completely. One part of me thinks just DC quick charge twice a week to 80% at the dealership for free and save myself about $2000 over 5 years in electricity costs. And the other part of me says just plug it in at home as needed to keep it between 30% and 70% all of the time. Either way, it would rarely be at a high state of charge and would go through a lot less full cycles than my Gen1... probably the only time I'd charge it higher than 80% is on an out of town trip (which would be extremely rare in the Leaf).


This has been my plan although I did do full charges 4X recently due to the severe wind warnings. It did help once as I lost power for nearly 48 hours. Would have been nice to have the LEAF Plus with Nissan Energy as I was probably within 24 hours of having major issues with the contents of my freezer. Having it outside in an unheated garage most likely saved me despite temps in the upper 40's to low 50's.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:01 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:Wish they would have upgraded the L2 charging port to 7.2 (or 9) at least...must have required reconfiguration of other charging components...


Agreed. 11½ hours on L2 is not attractive.

I spoke to a Nissan rep from Japan at CES and confirmed the OBC is still 6.6 kW.

Anyone want me to ask any questions not covered in the press already before the show ends today at 4? This is assuming he’s still around.

The worker I spoke to previously (not from Japan) didn’t know and clearly wasn’t a Leaf driver.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:37 pm

cwerdna wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:Wish they would have upgraded the L2 charging port to 7.2 (or 9) at least...must have required reconfiguration of other charging components...


Agreed. 11½ hours on L2 is not attractive.

I spoke to a Nissan rep from Japan at CES and confirmed the OBC is still 6.6 kW.

Anyone want me to ask any questions not covered in the press already before the show ends today at 4? This is assuming he’s still around.

The worker I spoke to previously (not from Japan) didn’t know and clearly wasn’t a Leaf driver.


Yeah Details on Nissan Energy. Is it standard or part of an options package?

Is it available on all trims?

How much is it?

Other than two way charging, is there any other functions ?

Is there any accessories specific to that function that is/will be available?
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:54 pm

^^^
That might be tough. He may not know US marketing specific stuff.

He couldn’t comment on US e+ pricing (other than Japanese pricing which is already known) and it’s possible that even if he knew, he might not be allowed to say.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:09 pm

cwerdna wrote:^^^
That might be tough. He may not know US marketing specific stuff.

He couldn’t comment on US e+ pricing (other than Japanese pricing which is already known) and it’s possible that even if he knew, he might not be allowed to say.


Been there, done that. These things rarely have anyone who knows anything beyond the press release but Nissan Power capability in the US is a HUGE thing... well to me it is so there must be "something"
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:01 pm

^^^
Yeah, ran into that re: folks not knowing beyond what was in the press release. Maybe I'll write about that or tell you another time. Was kinda annoying.

It related to the clearly non-Leaf driver when I asked them (a she) about the 11.5 hour charging time at 240 volts and the answer they "gave". :roll:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Yeah Details on Nissan Energy. Is it standard or part of an options package?

Is it available on all trims?

How much is it?

Other than two way charging, is there any other functions ?

Is there any accessories specific to that function that is/will be available?

I couldn't find the Japanese guy again. Unfortunately, MNL went down after you asked.

Not unexpectedly, the female rep who I spoke to earlier didn't know the answer to the price nor is it available on all trims. She only guessed that it would be n/a on cars w/o CHAdeMO (she referred to quick charge, not the name CHAdeMO) inlet. Her excuse on the lack of price or that info is that it's n/a in the US for now. At the same time, I can kinda understand. Perhaps it hasn't been decided or there are still negotiations going on with partners or marketing has intentionally decided to keep it under wraps for now and they likely have been given 0 info on it.

Sorry, forgot to ask the other stuff...

I did ask about the ground clearance (since someone took a pic of the underneath) and height. The Japanese guy mentioned the 5 mm increase in height. So, I asked about ground clearance. He said the e+ had 5 mm less ground clearance, so he confirmed a total of 10 mm difference. I asked about the SD card slot on the face of the head unit of the non-e+ sitting there vs. the e+ not having one. He didn't know the answer to that. He alluded to some country specific equipment differences. I wouldn't be surprised if the head units in Japan are different than US market ones.

I did briefly ask him about 100 kW charging then 70. He basically said 100 kW at the beginning and that they would need to ramp down for thermal reasons.

I also did ask if he was a Leaf engineer. His answer was something like he didn't work on Leaf but he can answer. I didn't catch his name but he was an older Japanese gentleman. First name began with an F.

I unfortunately didn't have any other thoughtful (or interesting to me) questions that I could ask that wasn't already covered by articles.

I did peek under the e+ vs. the 40 kWh Leaf on the show floor and really couldn't tell a difference in terms of how much the pack hangs down between the two, if any.

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