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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:47 pm
by SageBrush
rmay635703 wrote:What’s odd is that Nissan is marketing a 2018 leaf at all with deliveries starting next year they could have skipped directly to 2019

Not odd at all.

For one, the 60 kWh version is not ready; judging by their ongoing discussions who will supply the battery, end of 2019 is something of an optimistic guess.
Second, it will surely be more expensive than the 40 kwh model when they are sold concurrently. I'll guess an easy $5k price difference, and perhaps as much as $7.5k if they use a better quality battery and include a TMS

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:09 am
by Stanton
SageBrush wrote:
For one, the 60 kWh version is not ready...[edit]...I'll guess an easy $5k price difference, and perhaps as much as $7.5k if they use a better quality battery and include a TMS


There will never be a TMS in a car with the name Leaf.
Per my post earlier in this thread, the 60 kWh battery pack will be made by LG Chem (available sometime in 2019).

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:07 am
by edatoakrun
Stanton wrote:There will never be a TMS in a car with the name Leaf.

Probably not, fortunately.

Stanton wrote:Per my post earlier in this thread, the 60 kWh battery pack will be made by LG Chem (available sometime in 2019).

Possibly, but more likely (IMO) the 2019 LEAF "60 kWh" packs, like all other 2013-on USA-made LEAF packs, will come from the (former) AESC factory at Smyrna, Tennessee, though it may license the same technology LG does, and so be quite similar in terms of design and performance.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:30 pm
by alfubig
Hopefully, this spec for 2019 E-Plus version is true.
160KW motor, 225+ miles, 64 KWH battery, 11-22 KW onboard charger, 100 kW DCFC, and TMS.

https://electrek.co/2018/01/04/nissan-l ... -charging/

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:56 am
by edatoakrun
alfubig wrote:Hopefully, this spec for 2019 E-Plus version is true.
160KW motor, 225+ miles, 64 KWH battery, 11-22 KW onboard charger, 100 kW DCFC, and TMS.

https://electrek.co/2018/01/04/nissan-l ... -charging/

Only the "225+" mile range is from Nissan, the rest is from unspecified leaks, and pushevs' sources have not always been reliable.

IMO, 64 kWh battery pack (with something like 90% of that total capacity available) and 100 kW DCFC could be correct, or at least close to correct.

But 11-22 KW onboard charger and TMS are both unlikely, IMO.

edatoakrun wrote:Why the LEAF Gen 2 and not the 220 miles Tesla Model 3?

...Electek seems to be misinterpreting its source, which is this article:

How Nissan sees Leaf’s competition...

https://pushevs.com/2017/12/29/nissan-s ... mpetition/

...The Table below are Pedro LIma's (pushevs') projections, and far less certain to be correct...

viewtopic.php?p=515267#p515267

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:42 pm
by edatoakrun
edatoakrun wrote:...Only the "225+" mile range is from Nissan, the rest is from unspecified leaks...

IMO, 64 kWh battery pack (with something like 90% of that total capacity available) and 100 kW DCFC could be correct, or at least close to correct.

But 11-22 KW onboard charger and TMS are both unlikely, IMO...

A reliable commentator on the Kia forum has posted some un-sourced details on the 2019 "60 kWh" LEAF pack:

JejuSoul

...According to this article there will be two new Kia EVs released in October this year. Both with 300km of range. The Niro EV and a 'next generation' Soul EV. These two cars presumably have about 45kWh battery. I do not know when the 64kWh version of the Niro EV will be released. These will be the first cars to use the new NCM 811 cells from SK Innovation. The new NCM 811 cells from LG Chem will first be going into the 64kWh Nissan Leaf next year. Hence the Kona EV due out in April this year will not be getting the new cells (initially at least).

http://www.mykiasoulev.com/forum/viewto ... e&start=20

If correct, then the EPA combined range for 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus could well-exceed 225 miles.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:58 am
by JejuSoul
edatoakrun wrote:[A reliable commentator on the Kia forum has posted some un-sourced details on the 2019 "60 kWh" LEAF pack...

Sorry. My comments about the future Nissan Leaf are not reliable. The source was a very informed poster in a Korean chatroom. The context was when the '64kWh' versions of the Niro and Kona would be available.

I know that the "60 kWh" Bolt EV has an actual usable capacity of 60 kWh. That the new Niro and Kona EVs are being advertised as having the same range 383km as the Bolt EV suggests that the '64kWh' label is not the actual usable capacity but the total battery capacity. This may be the same for the new Leaf.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:40 am
by GetOffYourGas
JejuSoul wrote:I know that the "60 kWh" Bolt EV has an actual usable capacity of 60 kWh. That the new Niro and Kona EVs are being advertised as having the same range 383km as the Bolt EV suggests that the '64kWh' label is not the actual usable capacity but the total battery capacity.


My speculation is that the Bolt / Niro / Kona EVs all use the same battery, purchased as a unit from LG Chem. Kia simply chooses to advertise "total" capacity whereas Chevy advertises "usable". The fact that Kia claims identical range to the Bolt is telling.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:02 am
by TomT
There, I fixed it for you!

edatoakrun wrote:
Stanton wrote:There will never be a TMS in a car with the name Leaf.

Probably not, UNfortunately.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:18 am
by finman100
you really want to DC fast charge a non-TMS battery pack? More than 3 times in a row? At ambient temps in a lot of places around the world?

It's a complete and total non-starter if Nissan says it's fine DC fast charging and operating a 60 kWh lithium battery with no TMS. wow. There's a reason that more than a few Leafers are jumping ship.

C'mon Nissan! figure it out. why make all those Leafs (Leaves?) disposable? The level of competition is rising and I still see Nissan at the starting gate, wondering why they need TMS for longevity. Just get it done and compete!

The thing is I love my Leaf for what it is. But 20% battery loss in 3 years is not gonna cut it for my next EV. and charging infrastructure during that time frame? It's the same. pretty decent out here on the left coast but not even close to what it could (and should be) if Nissan would step up and support their EV.