DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:38 pm

SageBrush wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:From https://electrek.co/2019/01/08/nissan-leaf-plus-62kwh/


The battery pack cells are made by LG and are still passively cooled, which has been an issue in the past. However, Doi says Nissan has learned a lot in the almost decade of the LEAF and now believes that, even with the tighter pack, batteries will keep their capacity longer than ever. Nissan offers a 8 years/160,000 km (whichever occurs first) warranty on the battery


Where have I heard that before.


Its not like improving on their degradation history is some sort of massive hurdle. Changing vendors was likely more than enough
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:44 pm

I'm guessing the 62 kWh battery will not be able to fit into the existing 40 kWh chassis?
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JeffN
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm

The cells are still made in-house and are not from LG (as was rumored in the past).

My updated article is here:

https://electricrevs.com/2019/01/08/nis ... af-e-plus/

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:48 pm

jdcbomb wrote:I'm guessing the 62 kWh battery will not be able to fit into the existing 40 kWh chassis?


The new pack is slightly higher (thicker) but the difference is not readily apparent from looking at or sitting in the car.

The cells and pack internals are now welded differently which allows things to be packed more efficiently and the cells are somewhat more energy dense.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:52 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
SageBrush wrote:

Where have I heard that before.


Its not like improving on their degradation history is some sort of massive hurdle.

You are forgetting the 'even tighter packing' part of the story
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:57 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:From https://electrek.co/2019/01/08/nissan-leaf-plus-62kwh/


The battery pack cells are made by LG and are still passively cooled, which has been an issue in the past. However, Doi says Nissan has learned a lot in the almost decade of the LEAF and now believes that, even with the tighter pack, batteries will keep their capacity longer than ever. Nissan offers a 8 years/160,000 km (whichever occurs first) warranty on the battery


Some people prefer a passive cooled battery. Simpler, more reliable, with better battery life in cool climates with commuting usage.

I hope there are enough different EVs so most people can get close to what they want.
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jdcbomb
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:08 pm

Nissan Leaf e+ video / commercial: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlJX09m35s8

In Japanese but pretty easy to understand the video...although I assume they will post an English one soon.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:12 pm

jdcbomb wrote:Nissan Leaf e+ video / commercial: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlJX09m35s8

In Japanese but pretty easy to understand the video...although I assume they will post an English one soon.


This video shows ProPilot Park for automatically parallel-parking. Great feature! Is that only in the Japanese version? Anyone know if the U.S. Leaf Plus will have it?

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:32 pm

jdcbomb wrote:I'm guessing the 62 kWh battery will not be able to fit into the existing 40 kWh chassis?

According to the press release I saw today, the 62 KWH battery is 5mm thicker than the old battery but is otherwise identical in size and shape. If true, that's a rather amazing achievement in and of itself. I doubt if Nissan will ever allow this battery to be installed in older models if that is what you're thinking.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:42 pm

Some people prefer a passive cooled battery. Simpler, more reliable, with better battery life in cool climates with commuting usage.


I've seen no indication that passive cooling gives "better battery life" under any conditions. It just doesn't kill them as fast in cool and cold climates. Having seen 5.5% degradation in my 40kwh pack in just six months, I don't see any promise that packing the cells even more tightly will somehow improve longevity - and without active cooling at that.
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