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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:48 pm

orkyle wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:Nissan Leaf e+ video / commercial: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlJX09m35s8

In Japanese but pretty easy to understand the video...although I assume they will post an English one soon.


This video shows ProPilot Park for automatically parallel-parking. Great feature! Is that only in the Japanese version? Anyone know if the U.S. Leaf Plus will have it?

The Japanese 40 kWh Leaf could get it but not the US version. Who knows why?

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:59 am

Pro Park has been available on the 40kwh Leaf - in Japan.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:03 am

What's wrong with the Leaf+ announcement?
1. No liquid cooling
2. No CCS charging
3. No infrastructure for Chademo chargers going above 50 kW rate
4. No pricing announced
5. No live announcement in English
6. No Carlos
7. Not performant like Tesla
8. Shorter range than Hyundai and Kia upcoming competitors.
9. AESC batteries have a reputation for short life in warm climates
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:08 am

^^^
#1 They don't think they need it. :) Or.... they keep thinking (or know) it's cheaper to live w/warranty replacements and live w/the reputation (which might not be well-known outside EV enthusiast circles) than to add to the cost and complexity. And, it's likely not worth it for Nissan in many regions Leaf sells in outside the US. Also, see my earlier references to Tesla. Remember that Tesla's net losses (including profitable quarters) are still over $5 billion, so far.
#2 Why would they?
#4 Bummer, but I'd imagine it's to keep their competitors guessing and on their toes. There's not much advantage in Nissan releasing the US price now when they're not making it for sale yet.
#6 A huge bummer, but he didn't do the 40 kWh unveil either. And, it seems that Nissan management/its current CEO is determined to throw the book at him. :(
#8 I wouldn't be surprised if Hyundai/Kia "competitors" are virtual vaporware in the US outside California. If it's like the Ioniq BEV, it'll be So Cal only, selling in tiny numbers.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:53 am

The main advantages of the e+ over the 40kWh I can see are:

  • 50% more range
  • ~25% more horsepower and ~5% more torque
  • Faster QC
  • Nicer infotainment screen and better phone integration
  • Warranty guarantees ~150 miles of range vs ~100 miles for 8 years or 100k miles (given my current 15k miles per year that's about 6.5 years)

Otherwise the cars look the same in terms of suspension, styling, and most features/capabilities.

Good to have options. More range and power for more $$ if you want it. Less range and power for less $$ if you don't.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:11 am

orkyle wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:Nissan Leaf e+ video / commercial: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NlJX09m35s8

In Japanese but pretty easy to understand the video...although I assume they will post an English one soon.


This video shows ProPilot Park for automatically parallel-parking. Great feature! Is that only in the Japanese version? Anyone know if the U.S. Leaf Plus will have it?

A Japanese Nissan document about the new LEAF says Japan and Europe get the ProPilot Park feature but not the US.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:38 am

I recall that last year a Nissan rep stated that the parking feature has yet to "pass US regulatory restrictions" ...not sure what this is, or if it even makes sense given Tesla, and even Ford have auto parking features for years. Maybe is a cost driven issue to keep the price down? Disappointing either way...
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:49 am

^^^
Toyota has also had it since at least model year 2010 in the US.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:09 pm

golfcart wrote:* Faster QC

Will there be updated CHAdeMO in the US that will supply that faster rate? I suspect given it's success in Japan, it might happen there.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:13 pm

cwerdna wrote:#1 (liquid cooling) They don't think they need it. :) Or.... they keep thinking (or know) it's cheaper to live w/warranty replacements and live w/the reputation (which might not be well-known outside EV enthusiast circles) than to add to the cost and complexity. And, it's likely not worth it for Nissan in many regions Leaf sells in outside the US. Also, see my earlier references to Tesla. Remember that Tesla's net losses (including profitable quarters) are still over $5 billion, so far.

This one is an interesting issue. There is "conventional wisdom" around here (MNL) that loss of battery capacity is related to temperature of the battery pack. A much denser pack, longer range, and a higher capacity charger should all lead to higher battery temperatures in use. This all sounds like a perfect storm. Of course, the 30kwh and 40kwh packs already headed somewhat in this direction. Nissan has countered with extended battery capacity warranties. Unfortunately nobody but Nissan has very good information on capacity loss under a wide range of conditions with a large number of vehicles. Evidently their information tells them that they will NOT lose their shirt on battery capacity warranty claims. So far they seem to be right about the 30kwh and 40kwh packs. Now, we will see about 62kwh packs.
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