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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun May 05, 2019 8:33 pm

webeleafowners wrote: 1. What month do you think the 2020 model year will be available?

OrientExpress said something about new platform getting announced early next year. Likely available towards end of next year.
2. What new goodies will it have over the 2019? There’s always a few things.

Dedicated BEV platform. Slightly more room, a bit more range, perhaps a price cut. ProPilot improvement(s)?
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 am

DanCar wrote:
webeleafowners wrote: 1. What month do you think the 2020 model year will be available?

OrientExpress said something about new platform getting announced early next year. Likely available towards end of next year.
2. What new goodies will it have over the 2019? There’s always a few things.

Dedicated BEV platform. Slightly more room, a bit more range, perhaps a price cut. ProPilot improvement(s)?


I think those will be on the 2021 model. I think the 2020 model will be similar to the 2019.
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2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus Roadtrip

Fri May 10, 2019 7:28 am

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus Roadtrip

Fri May 10, 2019 7:44 am



Interesting but anecdotal. More driving data needed, e.g. actual battery temps per LeafSpy at charging & speeds greater than 55mph.

Once we got to Sacramento and level roads, our miles/kWh had increased to 7.5 m/kWh compared to 3.2 kWh going up.


Really? But no mention of speed?
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus Roadtrip

Fri May 10, 2019 8:03 am

lorenfb wrote:Really? But no mention of speed?


One thing that would be different from their usual trip to the lake is that they would drive at the posted speed limits the entire trip.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri May 10, 2019 8:08 am

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Once we got to Sacramento and level roads, our miles/kWh had increased to 7.5 m/kWh compared to 3.2 kWh going up.


Really? But no mention of speed?


In the flatlands our average speed was between 65-75, in the uphill portions we were at between 55 and 35 mph especially in the blizzard. Going downhill we were between 45-65.

Fast charging speeds at the two Drive the Arc quick chargers were on 50kW stands and were between 38-42 kW.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri May 10, 2019 8:19 am

OrientExpress wrote:
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Once we got to Sacramento and level roads, our miles/kWh had increased to 7.5 m/kWh compared to 3.2 kWh going up.


Really? But no mention of speed?


In the flatlands our average speed was between 65-75, in the uphill portions we were at between 55 and 35 mph especially in the blizzard. Going downhill we were between 45-65.

Fast charging speeds at the two Drive the Arc quick chargers were on 50kW stands and were between 38-42 kW.


So the 7.5 (133 W/mile) efficiency was at 65 - 75 on level terrain and no tail wind nor drafting, right? The M3 is about 250/300 W/mile.
So the Plus is ~ 50% more efficient than my 2019 40 kWh at those speeds,

Where's SageBrush on this?
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri May 10, 2019 11:52 am

lorenfb wrote: level terrain and no tail wind nor drafting, right?


On the outbound section we were going into the wind on the flatlands, and with the wind on the back side trip in the flatlands. From Sacramento to Tahoe and back uphill and down, the winds were clam - 3 kts.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri May 10, 2019 12:20 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
lorenfb wrote: level terrain and no tail wind nor drafting, right?


On the outbound section we were going into the wind on the flatlands, and with the wind on the back side trip in the flatlands. From Sacramento to Tahoe and back uphill and down, the winds were clam - 3 kts.


So the 7.5 miles/kWh is a distorted number and meaningless for a comparative analysis.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri May 10, 2019 12:36 pm

lorenfb wrote:So the 7.5 miles/kWh is a distorted number and meaningless for a comparative analysis.


No not at all, but I would recommend you read the article once again and understand that the story is not an empirical analysis.

As the story noted, the uphill efficiency was 3.2 miles/kW from San Jose to Tahoe and 7.5 miles/kW from Tahoe to San Jose, for a round trip average of about 5.35 miles/kW (5.0 miles/kW when we got home as the photo in the article showed). Now with that said, not everyone has the same driving skills as I do, so your mileage may vary.
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