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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:01 am
by SageBrush
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Are you forgetting Nissan still has a battery company?

Are you forgetting that Nissan is an unwilling owner, a result of the buyer walking away from the deal ?

Nissan wants to find another buyer, not pour R&D into AESC.
I'll be surprised if Nissan spends even 2% of the Tesla R&D budget on EV. And no, marketing does not count.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:30 am
by joeriv
Nissan sold the battery business:

“Envision will acquire AESC and Nissan’s battery manufacturing operations in Smyrna, Tennessee, owned by Nissan North America Inc. (NNA), and in Sunderland, England, owned by Nissan Motor Manufacturing (UK) Ltd. (NMUK), as well as its Japanese battery development and production engineering operations located in Oppama, Atsugi and Zama.

Lei Zhang, founder and CEO of Envision, said about the announcement:

“We are excited to announce the acquisition of Nissan’s battery business, a leading producer of advanced, safe and reliable lithium-ion batteries. Together with the battery business management team and its highly skilled workforce, this partnership will see Envision expand both organizations’ footprints into the intelligent energy ecosystem to create new innovative solutions for the IoT value chain. With this strategic acquisition and collaboration, we aim to expand our activities via investment into the new company to realize the value of IoT technology for smart transportation, V2G, and smart city solutions.”

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:17 am
by DaveinOlyWA
SageBrush wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Are you forgetting Nissan still has a battery company?

Are you forgetting that Nissan is an unwilling owner, a result of the buyer walking away from the deal ?

Nissan wants to find another buyer, not pour R&D into AESC.
I'll be surprised if Nissan spends even 2% of the Tesla R&D budget on EV. And no, marketing does not count.


Now the battery company is gone so this brings up a new question;

We all know the 60 kwh is going to be roughly $5000 more but if the 2019 with 40 kwh pack is the same as current LEAF, now THAT makes an attractive deal. TMS implies no more RapidGate with full speed charging to at least 60% (would be nice if it was the 75-80% of the 30 kwh packs but considering the 100 KW speed, not seeing that as likely)

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:28 am
by SageBrush
DaveinOlyWA wrote:We all know the 60 kwh is going to be roughly $5000 more

None of us "know" any such thing.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:37 am
by DaveinOlyWA
SageBrush wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:We all know the 60 kwh is going to be roughly $5000 more

None of us "know" any such thing.


With anything in the future, it "known" as much as the LE of course

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:02 am
by SageBrush
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:We all know the 60 kwh is going to be roughly $5000 more

None of us "know" any such thing.


With anything in the future, it "known" as much as the LE of course

No.

Unless you have insider information all you have is a guess. Nissan may have decided but they are not telling you.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:06 pm
by alozzy
So, this is weird...

https://www.nissan.ca/en/electric-cars/leaf

The Nissan Canada website mentions 2019, but this seems to be the 2018 LEAF, based on the specs listed. Maybe they are getting ready to release the 2019?

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:45 am
by eplus
alozzy wrote:So, this is weird...

https://www.nissan.ca/en/electric-cars/leaf

The Nissan Canada website mentions 2019, but this seems to be the 2018 LEAF, based on the specs listed. Maybe they are getting ready to release the 2019?

I noticed that too the other day. It's weird that they would have the 2019 now for no apparent reason. I used the Internet Archive to see what that page looked like earlier in the year, and the only difference is the model year and the price is a little higher now.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:57 pm
by alozzy
Yeah, it's definitely odd. Hope it doesn't mean that the ePlus won't be available in Canada for the 2019 model year.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:23 pm
by tranquilgarden
alozzy wrote:So, this is weird...

https://www.nissan.ca/en/electric-cars/leaf

The Nissan Canada website mentions 2019, but this seems to be the 2018 LEAF, based on the specs listed. Maybe they are getting ready to release the 2019?


The Sage Green colour seems to also no longer be available. Maybe not a huge seller so they axed it. We're still waiting for our blue SV - they say this month is production and next month is delivery.