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Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:48 pm

Via TMC Cosmacelf: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/2512109/

It is a NEMA 14-50 even tho the shadow makes it look like a 14-30.

The EVSE has a NEMA 14-50 plug, and then an adapter that plugs into the 14-50 that converts it to a regular NEMA 5-15 120V household plug. So, when fed 120V, the EVSE charges at 12A, and when fed at 240V, it charges at 30A (or at least that's what the ratings on the label are).


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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:32 pm

Tesla sells something similar in spec for ~ $300, albeit with a Tesla handle
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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:55 pm

Yes. We've known about this for awhile. Been discussed in at least a few threads like viewtopic.php?f=26&t=24534.

I have physically seen at least twice.

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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:59 pm

Maybe a Mod can merge those posts with the nice photos into the existing thread.
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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:05 pm

Just curious how the "plug" selection is decided by the vendor (ie. Nissan) when they manufacture this charger. Why is the NEMA 14-50P plug chosen?

In my garage, we have the NEMA 6-50R shaped wall outlet/recepticle which was previously installed by the Blink contractor. Our 240V Blink wall units use the NEMA 6-50P plug type. I have always felt this plug/recepticle style was a bad choice - I don't see this configuration as common...

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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:16 pm

cwerdna wrote:Yes. We've known about this for awhile. Been discussed in at least a few threads like viewtopic.php?f=26&t=24534.
I have physically seen at least twice.

Geez, sorry. I looked around for a few minutes but couldn't find any thing on it. Thought the pictures were useful.
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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:18 pm

mxp wrote:Just curious how the "plug" selection is decided by the vendor (ie. Nissan) when they manufacture this charger. Why is the NEMA 14-50P plug chosen?


Iirc, 14-50 is commonly used in RV campgrounds, which would make the Nissan unit useful as a take-along unit when traveling although a wider range of adapters wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:56 am

The problem with this arrangement with the adapter is that it will put a rather large moment on the outlet when plugged into a 120VAC outlet. As a result, it will not be possible to plug this in to a normal outlet without the use of an extension cord or something to set the unit on very near the outlet.

Without the adapter, it looks great, assuming the 14-50S outlet is oriented the proper way.

One question: When plugged into 240VAC, does this new EVSE use the neutral pin? Obviously the old one didn't given it had no neutral pin.
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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:44 am

RegGuheert wrote:One question: When plugged into 240VAC, does this new EVSE use the neutral pin? Obviously the old one didn't given it had no neutral pin.
Interesting question as that would only be done if they were pulling "120v" power from it for some reason (isn't that what a dryer does an example? motor 120v & heating element 240v - my memory may have failed me)

Since a NEMA 14-50 is a standard plug (not related to EV chargign) the neutral obviously should always connected/functional on any receptacle that is used anyway.
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Re: Nissan finally gets it with new 240V portable EVSE

Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:00 am

RegGuheert wrote:The problem with this arrangement with the adapter is that it will put a rather large moment on the outlet when plugged into a 120VAC outlet. As a result, it will not be possible to plug this in to a normal outlet without the use of an extension cord or something to set the unit on very near the outlet....


Agreed; though this is an easy problem to solve. With the much-heavier early unit with straight-in plug I simply suspended the box with a string and hook. The more worrisome issue though is some people don't realize the problem and will simply plug in and let it hang.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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