ookoshi
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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:12 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I too preferred the Leaf I drove to the Bolt. However, I'm not going to pay that much to lease a car that is likely to end up with capacity more like a slightly used 24kwh Leaf than a real 150 mile car. The battery in the Leaf is fine as spec'd, but if it's going to degrade like the 30kwh pack then the car becomes a comfortable lemon.


That's understandable, but with a lease you have the ability to find out before buying it. You can always turn in the 2018 Leaf and lease whatever is available in 2021, which is likely going to be the more appealing option given how fast the technology is improving. Or, if Nissan really did hit it out if the park with the 2018 Leaf, we should know for sure by the time 2021 rolls around. I always figured if I knew 100% I was going to buy it, I'd have done so at 0% interest to begin with. I'm leasing because I'm willing to pay a premium to keep my options open.
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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:28 pm

ookoshi wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:I too preferred the Leaf I drove to the Bolt. However, I'm not going to pay that much to lease a car that is likely to end up with capacity more like a slightly used 24kwh Leaf than a real 150 mile car. The battery in the Leaf is fine as spec'd, but if it's going to degrade like the 30kwh pack then the car becomes a comfortable lemon.


That's understandable, but with a lease you have the ability to find out before buying it. You can always turn in the 2018 Leaf and lease whatever is available in 2021, which is likely going to be the more appealing option given how fast the technology is improving. Or, if Nissan really did hit it out if the park with the 2018 Leaf, we should know for sure by the time 2021 rolls around. I always figured if I knew 100% I was going to buy it, I'd have done so at 0% interest to begin with. I'm leasing because I'm willing to pay a premium to keep my options open.

For now, that premium paid to have the option to dump the car is expensive.
I read ~ 13k in payments and loss of tax credits. That is easily over $20k for most people, so about $550 - 600 a month that could have been spent on another EV. The Tesla Model 3 is a bargain by comparison.
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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:40 pm

That's understandable, but with a lease you have the ability to find out before buying it. You can always turn in the 2018 Leaf and lease whatever is available in 2021, which is likely going to be the more appealing option given how fast the technology is improving. Or, if Nissan really did hit it out if the park with the 2018 Leaf, we should know for sure by the time 2021 rolls around. I always figured if I knew 100% I was going to buy it, I'd have done so at 0% interest to begin with. I'm leasing because I'm willing to pay a premium to keep my options open.


A good lease payment with a higher but still affordable residual (maybe $16k) is the way to try out a car before buying it. Paying $350 a month with a ~ $12k residual means that if you don't buy the car, you've wasted a huge amount of money on the lease. As for buying with 0% interest, that's fine if you qualify for the full tax credit. Really, though, that would likely be even worse in this case. You'd be buying a car that was only worth $12k when it was three years old.
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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:53 am

Bjorn is doing a 1,000 km #rapidgate test. Already hit almost 50C his first charge stop. =O

And Nissan actually called him to make sure his test would be "fair". Lol

https://youtu.be/-MsMx1ZTCzI

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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:28 am

bro1999 wrote:Bjorn is doing a 1,000 km #rapidgate test. Already hit almost 50C his first charge stop. =O

And Nissan actually called him to make sure his test would be "fair". Lol

https://youtu.be/-MsMx1ZTCzI


The one mitigating factor is the amount of heat generated from driving. I hit 50+ on my S30 several times but it was a drive, charge, drive charge scenario with all convenience stops incorporated into the charging stops. But hitting it on first charge? That is a manufactured stat unless you are doing it in July in a "warm" area which he is not.

I have to call his "test" a crock.
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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:45 am

I was most impressed (in a bad but expected way) by the differences the different sensors measured. My suspicion is that the modules buried deepest in the pack are the ones that are getting the hottest. Since the most vulnerable modules set the degradation for the entire pack, Bjorn is right to call out the highest temperatures measured rather than say the average pack temperature.
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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:56 am

SageBrush wrote:I was most impressed (in a bad but expected way) by the differences the different sensors measured. My suspicion is that the modules buried deepest in the pack are the ones that are getting the hottest. Since the most vulnerable modules set the degradation for the entire pack, Bjorn is right to call out the highest temperatures measured rather than say the average pack temperature.


The "highest" temp is actually the "normal" temp. I have already demonstrated several times that if parked and not moving, the 3 temps will eventually merge together.

Yes one monitor has to be closer to the entity that provides the greatest access to cooler ambient air but does that mean that part of the pack is significantly cooler? I highly doubt that
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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:27 pm

For all you LEAF enthusiasts out there, here is an article from SAE International that deep dives into the '18 LEAF and all of the engineering that makes it what it is today. Enjoy, as I think you will be surprised at how much improvement there is over the 1st generation LEAF. BTW, SAE Automotive Engineering is a great resource for the professional automotive engineer and armchair automotive experts too!


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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:47 am

Just got a new 2018 SV in Canada. The dealer tells me, they no longer us 3G or any cellular data. Instead they use satellite radio data to save costs and data charges. Can anybody else confirm this? It might explain the slow performance of the app.

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Re: Everything you might want to know about the '18 LEAF engineering

Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:45 pm

kmartyn wrote:Just got a new 2018 SV in Canada. The dealer tells me, they no longer us 3G or any cellular data. Instead they use satellite radio data to save costs and data charges. Can anybody else confirm this? It might explain the slow performance of the app.


Canada could be different but they are using 4G here
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