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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:17 am

WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:So why would QC throttling matter to the buyer of a commuter car? Frankly, I just don't see it.

Can you see a battery running around at 120F for months on end mattering to those same buyers ?


You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Don't evade the question. Do you think it would matter ?
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:26 am

It definitely SHOULD matter to them! That is not healthy for any battery.

SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Can you see a battery running around at 120F for months on end mattering to those same buyers ?


You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Don't evade the question. Do you think it would matter ?
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:39 am

SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Can you see a battery running around at 120F for months on end mattering to those same buyers ?


You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Don't evade the question. Do you think it would matter ?


Do you think a pink elephant would matter? What, you don't see a pink elephant? I don't either.

I don't own a 2018 Leaf. I'm interested in actual facts about the 2018 Leaf from actual owners of same. You are not an actual owner of a 2018 Leaf.

When you have actual facts, get back to me.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:43 am

TomT wrote:It definitely SHOULD matter to them! That is not healthy for any battery.

SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:
You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Don't evade the question. Do you think it would matter ?

DaveinOly has reached those temperatures. In the PNW. In April.
And after 16 hours of cooling the battery is still 15F over ambient

This is not rocket science, folks.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:55 am

TomT wrote:It definitely SHOULD matter to them! That is not healthy for any battery.


If true, and the battery chemistry isn't optimized for higher temperatures, I'd agree. Is it true that the 2018 Leaf battery will be at 120F all the time? Do you know for an actual fact what temperature range the battery is optimized for?

And more to the point, exactly HOW do you know these things?

What I'm hoping for is to reduce the noise and read more from people that actually own a 2018 Leaf.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:59 am

SageBrush wrote:DaveinOly has reached those temperatures. In the PNW. In April.
And after 16 hours of cooling the battery is still 15F over ambient

This is not rocket science, folks.


How did DaveinOly reach those temperatures?

By commuting?
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:07 am

WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:DaveinOly has reached those temperatures. In the PNW. In April.
And after 16 hours of cooling the battery is still 15F over ambient

This is not rocket science, folks.


How did DaveinOly reach those temperatures?

Read the details and get informed. And remember that this is from April in Seattle.

There is another thread in this forum from an owner in Texas who lays to rest the fantasy that this is only a multi-charge DCFC scenario, and he did it with 80F ambient temperatures.

Or, you can keep playing the ostrich. I certainly do not care.

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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:43 am

Dave got there by quick charging many times in succession. The owner in Texas has made one hyperbolic post on the subject and disappeared. I highly doubt a new LEAF will reach those temps just driving around, but I am prepared to be wrong with actual data. The lower C-rate with the larger battery should help keep temps in check under normal usage conditions.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:07 pm

You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Oh, you have at least seen a 2018 once in real life?


Classic Head in The Sand response. Given that the battery pack has no active cooling (and reduced passive cooling) it would violate the laws of physics if the pack temp didn't get up to around 120F in normal 85F+ Summer weather driving.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:10 pm

SageBrush wrote:Read the details and get informed.


Oh, I did. Dave's trip wasn't commuting. It was an long trip to verify the multi-charge DCFC issue.


SageBrush wrote: And remember that this is from April in Seattle.


Not true. Two state trip, Seattle to Oregon.

The Leaf is a commuting and around town car. Road trips, while possible, are not what it was designed for.

I could care less if it matches the Teslas or the Porsche Mission E high speed travel and recharge rates. I don't do those kinds of trips. I don't need that kind of recharge rate.
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