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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:30 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Oh, you have at least seen a 2018 once in real life?


Classic Head in The Sand response. Given that the battery pack has no active cooling (and reduced passive cooling) it would violate the laws of physics if the pack temp didn't get up to around 120F in normal 85F+ Summer weather driving.


Like my 2014 Leaf gets up to 120F all the time... Not.

Actually my 2014 Leaf's battery as measured by Leaf Spy usually stays between the daily high and daily low in the summer. The average daily high in summer is 70F. The average daily low is 54F. Maybe a 2018 will run hotter by a few degrees. Maybe not. I'm not sure if I care. Should I?

Most frequent long trip is 130 miles round trip. Longest common trip is 71 miles. A fair fraction is slower roads. Usually in winter, spring or fall, in summer we take the wife's convertible. With the top down, of course. I suspect I can take these trips without needing a charging stop in a 2018. For years.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:31 pm

You drive a 24kwh Leaf, gently. Ask the owner of a 30kwh Leaf about battery temps in Summer, on hot days.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:43 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:You drive a 24kwh Leaf, gently. Ask the owner of a 30kwh Leaf about battery temps in Summer, on hot days.


If I drove a 30kWh Leaf as I drive my 24kWh Leaf, how different would the battery temperatures be?
If I drove a 40kWh Leaf as I drive my 24kWh Leaf, how different would the battery temperatures be?

I don' t know, of course, as I don't own a 30kWh or a 40kWh Leaf.

You don't know as well, for the same reason.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:23 pm

WetEV wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:You drive a 24kwh Leaf, gently. Ask the owner of a 30kwh Leaf about battery temps in Summer, on hot days.


If I drove a 30kWh Leaf as I drive my 24kWh Leaf, how different would the battery temperatures be?
If I drove a 40kWh Leaf as I drive my 24kWh Leaf, how different would the battery temperatures be?

I don' t know, of course, as I don't own a 30kWh or a 40kWh Leaf.

You don't know as well, for the same reason.


So the only way to know things like that are to own the vehicle? Interesting. I guess I've been wasting my time just reading about them. You know, I've skipped a LOT of seemingly endless arguments between you and other people here, but I'm only just now starting to entirely realize why.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:58 am

WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:So why would QC throttling matter to the buyer of a commuter car? Frankly, I just don't see it.

Can you see a battery running around at 120F for months on end mattering to those same buyers ?


You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Oh, you have at least seen a 2018 once in real life?


The reality is a few areas will see that in their packs a few months a year. We have one in AZ who has 2018, no garage, works nights so car bakes during the day while charging.

This is an edge case. I have a 2018 but I am not going to worry about weather conditions I cannot see. I have collected several charging curves in several scenarios and that will continue to Summer but if you are not into stopping for long stints to charge (I am not. I prefer mostly 15 min stops with an occasional 30 mins stop) you range in Summer is likely to be limited to 250-350 miles if you are on a time budget.

As far as longevity? Still remains to be seen but initial results are not promising but too early to tell anything.

FYI; I am/was an edge case so not everything I will experience will apply to the masses.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:05 am

EV Sales indicates 11,105 Nissan LEAFs sold in March:
EV Sales wrote:This month the new Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model S and X were the headliners, with the Japanese hatchback deliveries now in full swing, registrations surged to over 11,000 units, not only a new record for the nameplate, but also only the second model to reach the five-digit area ever. With a five-digit long waiting list, expect registrations to continue around 10,000 units in the next few months.
Nissan sold more LEAFs worldwide in March than ALL PEVs sold in the US in January.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:23 am

Do we need a new thread for April or can we add a subtitle to this one?
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:39 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Do we need a new thread for April or can we add a subtitle to this one?
Good idea to make a new one, Dave! Done.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Tue May 01, 2018 7:57 am

I guess 1,171 for April 2018
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Wed May 02, 2018 5:57 am

OrientExpress wrote:I guess 1,171 for April 2018


:lol:
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