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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:09 pm

InsideEVs reports that Nissan sold 6503 LEAFs in Europe in March:
InsideEVs wrote:The automaker sold an unprecedented number of LEAFs in Europe – more than 6,500 in March.

If you recall that we reported a LEAF sales milestone in February – record of 3,766 sold – just imagine how this 6,503 in March compares then. That’s nearly two times the previous record-setting amount.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:47 pm

Leaf was #5 model in Nissan Europe sales, and at least 11.423 Nissan Leafs sold in March, by adding up sales reports from four major markets:

Nissan Leaf is selling at record levels in Europe

Last month, 6.503 units of the Nissan Leaf were sold in Europe. This is much more than the 2.997 units sold in Japan, the 1.500 units sold in the USA and the 423 units sold in Canada. With all these four regions combined we get a total of 11.423 Nissan Leafs sold in March.

The table below shows us Nissan sales in Europe.

Top 5 models (March 2018)

#

Model

Vehicle sales

1

Qashqai

37.658

2

Micra

13.380

3

X-Trail

10.811

4

Juke

10.174

5

LEAF

6.503

https://pushevs.com/2018/04/09/nissan-l ... in-europe/
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:53 pm

1.500 units sold in the USA


Cwerdna nailed it exactly, and I was only off by 25, IIRC. I think sales will climb until about late July, and then plummet as the QC/ battery fail becomes more widely known. I wish to hell I could wait until Labor Day to lease one.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:15 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I wish to hell I could wait until Labor Day to lease one.


Trying to talk the price down, eh?

I doubt if DCQC is a large part of the median Leaf buyer's needs. I agree that it is handy, but many Leaf owners charge mostly at home on 120V, and "fast" charging is at work or shopping at L2 speeds. Reading MNL isn't an average slice of Leaf owners.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:21 pm

I'm talking about sales falling off because of both the QC throttling and the battery pack temp issue.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:54 am

LeftieBiker wrote:I'm talking about sales falling off because of both the QC throttling and the battery pack temp issue.


So the price can drop to where you want to buy.... I see.

Just to repeat myself, I usually do not take a trip beyond one QC stop by choice. QC throttling on the third QC would be pretty far down on my concern's list. It would have happened twice since a bought a Leaf, and both were "adventures". I take more long trips than all of the Leaf drivers I know in person.

Most use of a Leaf is commuting or around town.


So why would QC throttling matter to the buyer of a commuter car? Frankly, I just don't see it.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:25 am

WetEV wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:I'm talking about sales falling off because of both the QC throttling and the battery pack temp issue.


So the price can drop to where you want to buy.... I see.

Just to repeat myself, I usually do not take a trip beyond one QC stop by choice. QC throttling on the third QC would be pretty far down on my concern's list. It would have happened twice since a bought a Leaf, and both were "adventures". I take more long trips than all of the Leaf drivers I know in person.

Most use of a Leaf is commuting or around town.


So why would QC throttling matter to the buyer of a commuter car? Frankly, I just don't see it.


I agree. In the US market I think the quick charge throttling will definitely be an edge case thing. I think few people buy a Leaf dreaming of long distance road trips given the vast spaces between major metropolitan areas in this country.

Now in the EU and UK I can see this being a major issue. Having 150 miles of real range combined with a very robust QC network might be painting a picture to consumers that long travel is feasible, as in an Ioniq. Clearly it’s not and I think we’ll see (more) backlash there.

Where it gets to be a problem in the US will be in the summer in the desert Southwest. If it’s 115 degrees F ambient and someone is expecting a single QC to perform as advertised but gets a 15 or 20 kW charge rate on an evgo station that charges by the minute people are gonna get upset. Furthermore Leafs will get the reputation of clogging up the sparse QC network with their pokey charge times. Not good.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:35 pm

I'm not trying to 'talk the prices down.' I'm talking about a likely drop in prices that won't help me. Once people start seeing battery gauges in the Red Zone while driving normally, in normal Summer weather, the honeymoon will be over for the 2018 Leaf.
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:05 am

WetEV wrote:So why would QC throttling matter to the buyer of a commuter car? Frankly, I just don't see it.

Can you see a battery running around at 120F for months on end mattering to those same buyers ?
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Re: Contest: Guess March 2018 LEAF sales

Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:35 am

SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:So why would QC throttling matter to the buyer of a commuter car? Frankly, I just don't see it.

Can you see a battery running around at 120F for months on end mattering to those same buyers ?


You know that the battery will be running around 120F because you drive a 2018 and have observed the battery temperature for at least months?

Oh, you have at least seen a 2018 once in real life?
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