Evoforce wrote: WetEV wrote:
Evoforce wrote:Or... wait for the 2019 Leaf which should be a much better/ longer lasting/ less depreciating car.
Or the 2021, with an even larger and longer lasting battery.
I would bet on high depreciation for any EV, however, as new technology and many new choices as new cars will outshine the older cars. And the tax credits make for instant depreciation.
Lease, if you want to be protected from this. Or plan on owning longer.
If you own longer, expect to see cars cheaper than yours with twice the battery size and even more. They might be hard to resist.
The Leaf's depreciation has a lot to do with its poor battery reputation and lack of longevity.
For the 2011 and 2012, sure. In Arizona, perhaps.
Evoforce wrote:I had really had hoped that the 2018 would have finally implemented liquid TMS but alas, no such story. I am not one that generally would agree to leasing a car, but with the Leaf up to this point, yes, but only if they still insist on buying a Leaf as their only option.
Liquid TMS would have very little impact on my battery life. Sure, there have been a few hours where a TMS might have helped, on long days with multiple QCs. Battery hit 101F Friday, and cooled to 96F an hour later. If the TMS came on at 100F, I would have had lower battery temperatures. Very slightly, for a short amount of time.
TMS has near zero value to me, at best. With the increased risk of battery fires due to liquid in the battery pack, I'd rather not have a TMS. With the passively cooled battery perhaps staying at lower average temperature in my climate, I might have worse battery life, higher energy usage as well as a higher cost car.
Evoforce wrote:Why buy a car with the worst monetary and battery degradation in the industry, once you become aware of it?
I would't buy a new 2012 today. So?
Evoforce wrote:If the 2018 had the liquid TMS as an option, that would have been the one to pick. As it is, the most important option is missing!
Liquid TMS is a negative value option for me. I'd pay money to avoid it. Probably a wash for most of the USA. Definitely what AZ buyers would want. Please don't try to force your choices on me.