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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:06 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:This one is easy - perceived value.

Which EV would have the better perceived value is hard to say without knowing the specs. I suspect that the Supercharging network would give Tesla the leg up, even if the owner never uses it. On the other hand, Infiniti is an established brand which some people may simply trust more than the new kid on the block (Tesla).


This is the crux of my concern. I don't think perceived value will follow the EV market quite like the ICE market at this point. It's still too new and too novel. I think the overriding issue with EVs as that market grows will be range anxiety. It will trump all other concerns. So, people will likely cross-shop cars based on the perceived range anxiety which comes with the car. That's why a Mercedes B class does not command the same sort of premium over a Leaf that a CLA does over a Versa, or an E class over a Maxima. In the cases of the ICE cars, the utility as a vehicle is essentially the same. You are paying for both luxury features and brand cachet. I think the nuts and bolts have to come to the forefront on the more exotically fueled vehicles like EVs and FCEVs. I just don't think there would be too many takers for an Infiniti with an unreliable Chademo system over a Tesla with Supercharging. The Tesla would win on brand prestige, and would win on utility. The only way, I think to overcome those two deficits is to win on cost. So, if there were an Infiniti, it really could not have much of a price premium over a Leaf. And if you can't have a significant price premium, why invest all the money in a new vehicle, new dealers, etc.?
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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:23 pm

bigrob90 wrote:If this is a car for EveryMan, why does it need to be an Infiniti? What does that actually gain Nissan? They would then have to invest even more money in training and installing DCFC at Infiniti dealers. I just don't see the ROI, unless they let Nissan prove the concept enough to appeal to the Infiniti dealers and, more importantly, the Infiniti customers. If Nissan goes first, I think it gives them a much better chance of succeeding at selling an Infiniti.

Which car is for everyone - Model 3 or Leaf 2 or Infiniti LE ?

Clearly there is no one car that is for "everyone". Tesla will remain a premium brand and Model 3 competes with BMW 3 series. It makes perfect sense to have a competing model here by Infiniti.

If it was all about next quarter ROI, Leaf & Infiniti LE shouldn't be built. Ghosn is looking at 5 or 10 years horizon, though.
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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:56 pm

evnow wrote:
bigrob90 wrote:If this is a car for EveryMan, why does it need to be an Infiniti? What does that actually gain Nissan? They would then have to invest even more money in training and installing DCFC at Infiniti dealers. I just don't see the ROI, unless they let Nissan prove the concept enough to appeal to the Infiniti dealers and, more importantly, the Infiniti customers. If Nissan goes first, I think it gives them a much better chance of succeeding at selling an Infiniti.

Which car is for everyone - Model 3 or Leaf 2 or Infiniti LE ?

Clearly there is no one car that is for "everyone". Tesla will remain a premium brand and Model 3 competes with BMW 3 series. It makes perfect sense to have a competing model here by Infiniti.

If it was all about next quarter ROI, Leaf & Infiniti LE shouldn't be built. Ghosn is looking at 5 or 10 years horizon, though.



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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:17 pm

I'd really like to get into Ghosn's head for the skinny on that "10 year horizon..." 10 years from now? Any futurists around here? If so, Ghosn wants ya in lieu of a big paycheck.

In 10 years we may see brands that don't yet exist, folks. Charging ditto. Not to mention super-range EVs... Let us ask Hawking. Maybe he knows.
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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:38 am

Infiniti Sees No Demand For Luxury Electric Cars Before 2020

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... efore-2020

LE is basically cancelled.

Nissan will reconsider producing an Infiniti EV for the 2020 model year a few years down the road.

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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:56 am

DeeAgeaux wrote:Infiniti Sees No Demand For Luxury Electric Cars Before 2020

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... efore-2020

LE is basically cancelled.

Nissan will reconsider producing an Infiniti EV for the 2020 model year a few years down the road.


Bad reporting. We should always consider where the comments were made - in Dubai. Is he saying they have no plans to bring infiniti EV to Dubai or anywhere in the world. The original story is very vague - GCR is speculating - and you are speculating even more.
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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:12 am

evnow wrote:
DeeAgeaux wrote:Infiniti Sees No Demand For Luxury Electric Cars Before 2020

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... efore-2020

LE is basically cancelled.

Nissan will reconsider producing an Infiniti EV for the 2020 model year a few years down the road.


Bad reporting. We should always consider where the comments were made - in Dubai. Is he saying they have no plans to bring infiniti EV to Dubai or anywhere in the world. The original story is very vague - GCR is speculating - and you are speculating even more.

IMO, misrepresentation, rather than speculation, more accurately describes what GCR did with this no-news story, the source it posted:


We are ready with technology to launch electric car: Infiniti

http://www.emirates247.com/news/emirate ... 8-1.606013
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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:54 am

evnow wrote:
DeeAgeaux wrote:Infiniti Sees No Demand For Luxury Electric Cars Before 2020

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... efore-2020

LE is basically cancelled.

Nissan will reconsider producing an Infiniti EV for the 2020 model year a few years down the road.


Bad reporting. We should always consider where the comments were made - in Dubai. Is he saying they have no plans to bring infiniti EV to Dubai or anywhere in the world. The original story is very vague - GCR is speculating - and you are speculating even more.


And you are in denial.

Francois Goupil de Bouille is the vice president for Infiniti Europe,Africa, and Middle East.

Where the headquarters are for the reporting entity is irrelevant.

Yeah, a Renault-Nissan brand is going to make an Infiniti BEV but not bring it to Norway or France.

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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:17 pm

DeeAgeaux wrote:And you are in denial.

Francois Goupil de Bouille is the vice president for Infiniti Europe,Africa, and Middle East.

Where the headquarters are for the reporting entity is irrelevant.

Yeah, a Renault-Nissan brand is going to make an Infiniti BEV but not bring it to Norway or France.

Just read the original report - and tell me you can draw the conclusions GCR drew.

ALL the recent reports say Infiniti EV will be out in '17/'18. And they are very direct reports - not some read the tea leaves, in between the lines that GCR is doing.
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Re: Official Infiniti LE thread - early 2017, 60 kWh

Sat May 06, 2017 2:20 am

evnow wrote:
DeeAgeaux wrote:And you are in denial.

Francois Goupil de Bouille is the vice president for Infiniti Europe,Africa, and Middle East.

Where the headquarters are for the reporting entity is irrelevant.

Yeah, a Renault-Nissan brand is going to make an Infiniti BEV but not bring it to Norway or France.

Just read the original report - and tell me you can draw the conclusions GCR drew.

ALL the recent reports say Infiniti EV will be out in '17/'18. And they are very direct reports - not some read the tea leaves, in between the lines that GCR is doing.



Yep, Infiniti LE is just around the corner.

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