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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:01 am

ETnSA wrote:Thanks for all of the sound advice so far.

I have went ahead and ruled out the 12 and the 15 was already sold. I am on to look at others. I have a hold on a 2013 with 40K miles at a Nissan dealer in town. It is a fully loaded SV and has 11/12 bars on the battery left. Originated in San Diego CA and has only been in San Antonio for a few months.

They are asking 11k For it and I am going to look at it today. Seems like the price is a little high, but perhaps they will negotiate. They also have a 2015 with 5K miles on it for 14800. That price is a little more than I want to spend, but maybe its worth it?


Make sure the build date (on the driver's side door sill sticker) is no earlier than April of 2013. The early 2013 Leafs have the same bad battery chemistry as the earlier years. As for 2013 vs 2015: unless it's a later build 2013 from a cool climate with all 12 bars vs a 2015 from Arizona with 11 bars, go for the 2015.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:00 am

If you're looking at the 2015 at $15k consider the following:

+29,990 New 2018 S MSRP
-4,000 Typical Nissan discount/credits (probably much better)
-7500 Fed Tax Credit (assuming tax liability);
-2500 TX state EV credit https://electrek.co/2018/06/05/texas-electric-vehicle-incentives-tesla/
=$15,990

Also, I believe Nissan is offering 0% financing
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:38 pm

Phatcat73 wrote:If you're looking at the 2015 at $15k consider the following:

+29,990 New 2018 S MSRP
-4,000 Typical Nissan discount/credits (probably much better)
-7500 Fed Tax Credit (assuming tax liability);
-2500 TX state EV credit https://electrek.co/2018/06/05/texas-electric-vehicle-incentives-tesla/
=$15,990


Really good idea!
Even if the battery wilts in the Texas sun the warranty will keep the car above ~ 27 kWh usable for at least 8 years.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:47 pm

I honestly don't understand why anyone living in Texas would even consider a Leaf, given how brutal summers are on the battery pack.

FWIW:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... stRecord=0
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:30 pm

Just keep tabs on Carmax listings until you find the one you want.

The lady who sold us our Leaf, told us about 50% of her Leaf sales got returned. I suspect many buy one and find the EV life and "range anxiety" weights on them, and they chicken out within the 5 day period.

So one you thought was sold, might be back on the lot next week.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:18 am

You’re getting great advice here, and I concur that the most important consideration (assuming a clean CarFax) is battery state of health, something easily checked with LeafSpyPro. You do have that right? If not, get a license and download the app, with an appropriate OBDII adapter to go with. Take it to check any LEAF you might seriously consider.

That said, if the range of whatever battery is in the car exceeds your daily drive, the battery probably matters less. In any event, also consider the “bells and whistles” of the SV and SL trim levels vs. the S. The higher trim levels in most model years provide access to Nissan’s (albeit weak) telematics systems and the features they permit. Many of these models include the DC Quick Charging port...very useful if you’re near a dealership or other site that has this kind of fast charge capability. Earlier models included an electronic emergency brake, replaced in later models by a foot pedal. Fit & Finish is a topic you’ll see repeatedly in this forum and you should peruse those comments too if that’s a factor for you. 2011 and 2012 models were built in Japan; 2013 and after in Tennessee. The latter suffered some F&F issues, at least early on.

Good luck with you decision, and welcome to the community of LEAFers!
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:02 pm

In any event, also consider the “bells and whistles” of the SV and SL trim levels vs. the S. The higher trim levels in most model years provide access to Nissan’s (albeit weak) telematics systems and the features they permit. Many of these models include the DC Quick Charging port...very useful if you’re near a dealership or other site that has this kind of fast charge capability.


I agree with this, but OTOH if you don't need or want extra features, they do tend to command a price premium, making a '15 S often the same price as a '13 SV or SL, and thus a better buy in that case. Remember though that the '13-'14 S doesn't have cruise control and it can't easily be added.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:44 pm

Hi Everyone
Just joined the forum and really enjoy reading all of the info here. I bought a 2015 Leaf SV about two months ago and my wife and I love it. There is so much to learn about it because where I live is in northern Missouri and you just don't see EV's here. The Leaf I bought come from Georgia and had 39000 miles on it with 12 bars. Give $11500.00 for it. The car is in very good shape and had just half dozen small hail dents on it.

Good thing about it all is last year I had a 16 KW solar array put in and I have been charging this car for 0 dollars. I kept my 2012 Impala just so we could go longer distances. But me and the wife are both retired and we don't do any traveling.

Thanks for having such a great forum, there sure is alot of knowledge here.

Butch

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