dm33
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:11 am

On the bad side
- Highway range is less than I expected. Our roads are high speed, range is greatly reduced over 55mph, especially 75mph. Cant figure the 100mile range, more like 60 @ 75mph or less w a buffer. But it does extremely well at low speeds.

On the positive side
- I wish I would have known that the range handles most of what we needed two vehicles for previously.
- ... how much money we'd save. We're saving between $150-200/mo. That makes the Leaf practically free.

If we had know the positives, may have looked at leasing one earlier. But I think our timing was pretty good. Got an amazing deal that we couldn't pass up even though we didn't even really need a car.

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:29 am

Boourns wrote: One more quick n00b question about my understanding of the tax credit: If I lease, the leasing company essentially "gets" the tax credit and it deducts $7500 from the capitalized cost. If I buy, I finance the entire amount and I claim the $7500 credit when I do my taxes the following April. In other words, the $7500 doesn't come off the purchase price. Do I have that right?


FYI only NMAC (Nissan's in-house financing) passes the $7500 credit directly to the lessee. Otherwise you are correct, the $7500 is in the form of a tax credit, and you only get it if you are paying that much in taxes that year.
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Lease returned on 12/23/2015. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:34 am

RonDawg wrote:
Boourns wrote: One more quick n00b question about my understanding of the tax credit: If I lease, the leasing company essentially "gets" the tax credit and it deducts $7500 from the capitalized cost. If I buy, I finance the entire amount and I claim the $7500 credit when I do my taxes the following April. In other words, the $7500 doesn't come off the purchase price. Do I have that right?


FYI only NMAC (Nissan's in-house financing) passes the $7500 credit directly to the lessee. Otherwise you are correct, the $7500 is in the form of a tax credit, and you only get it if you are paying that much in taxes that year.


thanks for validating what i said on this issue.
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:55 am

thankyouOB wrote:
RonDawg wrote:
Boourns wrote: One more quick n00b question about my understanding of the tax credit: If I lease, the leasing company essentially "gets" the tax credit and it deducts $7500 from the capitalized cost. If I buy, I finance the entire amount and I claim the $7500 credit when I do my taxes the following April. In other words, the $7500 doesn't come off the purchase price. Do I have that right?


FYI only NMAC (Nissan's in-house financing) passes the $7500 credit directly to the lessee. Otherwise you are correct, the $7500 is in the form of a tax credit, and you only get it if you are paying that much in taxes that year.


thanks for validating what i said on this issue.


You're welcome.
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar on 11/21/2015 at 26,435 miles.
Lease returned on 12/23/2015. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:12 pm

You're certainly in the right place to research this car, and giving yourself months to wade through all the info you'll find here, asking good questions, is smart for you and may help others too. Welcome aboard.

I'll add a thought about leasing, which I prefer since the technology is only going to improve, and prices will come down.

In your case, turning in your Nissan ICE for a Leaf will save you some end fees and likely they will not be too picky on wear and tear. Also, (at least at my dealer) they start offering you deals early to entice you to re-lease with them, like waiving your last couple lease payments.

Now, since your current lease is up in March, if your dealer is willing to make such offers, you may be able to combine that with a year end deal on a leftover 2013 (if there are any). If inventory is still short by then, this may not work.

The 2014's are due in October, if there are any 2013's left, you could work a great deal by the end of this year.

Anyway, sounds like you'll be well prepared.
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:12 pm

I have a commute very similar to yours. I leased a stripped model S about a month ago and have not bought gas since! I've been very pleased with it, and don't "miss" any of the features on the SL/SV. I just use a basic trickle charge at home over-night and don't plan to get a Level 2 installed at home.

The one thing that did disappoint me a little was the stock sound system. It is notably poorer than the stock sound system in my last 2 ICE vehicles (2000 Toyota Tundra, 2003 Mazda MPV). It's not a big deal and I never figured out if/how much $$ it would have been to upgrade.

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:19 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:The 2014's are due in October, if there are any 2013's left, you could work a great deal by the end of this year.

Last story I heard said it was corrected to say coming in December, not October.

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:11 pm

Boourns wrote:Excellent. Thanks for the confirmation. We pay our taxes quarterly because my wife owns an LLC, the taxes for which pass through to our personal return, so I need to check with my accountant to see how that would work if I were to buy and get the EV credit. But, because of how that's handled I think that deepens my preference for leasing.
How you pay your taxes doesn't matter, whether payroll deductions, quarterly payments, or a lump sum. It's just that, for individuals, the total of all payments due needs to be at least $7500 in the tax year when you buy your EV. But the rules are different for companies, so do talk to your accountant.

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:25 pm

dm33 wrote:
DNAinaGoodWay wrote:The 2014's are due in October, if there are any 2013's left, you could work a great deal by the end of this year.

Last story I heard said it was corrected to say coming in December, not October.


Oh? Good. Even better if your lease is up in March.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:54 pm

All in all I'm very happy with the purchase of the car. It's peppy, reliable, cheap to operate, handles great, is fun to drive and is the perfect size and has good range for my family. However, to answer the OP's question, I wish I had known:
1. that Level 1 charging at home would easily fit my needs;
2. that the "free" EVSE from The EV Project would costs almost $3,000;
3. that QC stations in my area would take so long to roll out and would be so unreliable;
4. that the backup camera and photovoltaic cells on the SL would be so useless;
Based on these factors, I wish I had stuck with my original decision to buy the SV, but I let myself be talked into upgrading to the SL. However, I have the 2011 and these factors may not apply to you and may not be true on later models. In addition, perhaps the infrastructure will appear before the useful life of the car is gone and the decision to upgrade will pay off after all.

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