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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:43 pm

thankyouOB wrote:How much is nissan going to pay you for your old battery core, when you trade in your battery to buy a new one?

They aren't selling you a new one - they are renting you a new one. If you don't want a new one you can keep your old one. So they are not "stealing" anything. Stealing is when they take it from you without you knowing. Take off your tinfoil hat / don't knowingly misrepresent facts - also known as lying.

Don't keep thread-crapping. We all know your opinion by now - treat this as a warning.
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:09 pm

evnow wrote:
thankyouOB wrote:How much is nissan going to pay you for your old battery core, when you trade in your battery to buy a new one?

They aren't selling you a new one - they are renting you a new one. If you don't want a new one you can keep your old one. So they are not "stealing" anything. Stealing is when they take it from you without you knowing. Take off your tinfoil hat / don't knowingly misrepresent facts - also known as lying.

Don't keep thread-crapping. We all know your opinion by now - treat this as a warning.


I take your point, evnow. they are not stealing the battery, but they are taking it without recompense, if i want to upgrade my old battery.

Now here is mine: I ask you to please not be so literal. the whole point of calling it the steal-your-battery program is hyperbole.
everyone should get that. it is NOT a literal statement. it is purposeful exaggeration.

I am not thread molesting. the OP asked a question. I answered. I disagree strongly with your literal view of my answer. I answered with sarcasm after you stepped right up to the threshold of calling me a liar.
You said: "Oh BTW, ignore people who try to spread lies, like the above poster..."
i then replied in two posts, concluding:

they wont sell you a new battery.
they wont pay you anything for your battery core or your used battery.
they will just take the old battery and charge you $100 a month forever to lease a new battery, which you cant keep.

every word of that is truth, and it doesnt matter if you bought the car and OWN the old battery. nissan will take it from you.

i didnt get all medieval about your personal attack.
I have been here a long time. I have posted thousands of times and supplied lots of good information and insight. use of the L word about me was and is uncalled for, especially from a moderator.
You overstepped.

as to the repetition. it is not gratuitous.
the point of bringing it up repeatedly is to make sure that nissan doesnt feel it has accomplished its purpose of deflecting our concerns about their promise to provide a battery price nor that we have forgotten their next promise to provide answers to our questions.
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:21 am

What do I wish I had known before purchase?

The shift knob in my 2013 S model Leaf is the most annoying part of the car for me. Let it be said right now that these are minor complaints and wouldn't have changed my mind about leasing the car. But back to the shift knob; It mimics the old mechanical shifters when it doesn't need to. I would prefer buttons or something flat (perhaps a dial?) rather than the protruding knob. The whole movement assembly on the thing is nothing but unnecessary moving parts just waiting to break when I accidentally bash it while putting something in the passenger's seat. The patterns that used to make sense with a mechanical shifter are crazy for the leaf, I pull it backward to go forward and push it forward to go backward? How does that make sense?

The worst part is what happens if I jump the gun when I'm starting the car. If I shift before the Leaf finishes singing to me I end up in neutral! Stay in park or engage the gear of my choice but Nissan, please don't give me a potentially dangerous and unexpected third option.

Once I actually get driving I no longer notice the shifter so most of the time it's a non-problem.

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:55 am

Thanks everyone for the responses. I do appreciate hearing all points of view, and I can understand the frustration some of you feel with the way Nissan is handling the battery issues. I guess sometimes there are costs to being early adopters, whether justified or not. That said, I am not so dismayed as to give up on the Leaf.

One more quick n00b question about my understanding of the tax credit: If I lease, the leasing company essentially "gets" the tax credit and it deducts $7500 from the capitalized cost. If I buy, I finance the entire amount and I claim the $7500 credit when I do my taxes the following April. In other words, the $7500 doesn't come off the purchase price. Do I have that right?
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:06 am

right, though as a buyer, i am not familiar with how much of the $7500 the leasing company pockets.

however, you are right, if you have sufficient taxes owed in that year, you get a maximum nonrefundable $7500 credit. it does not come off the sale price. and in CA the tax is figured on the price at time of sale.

(non-refundable means you dont get roll over any unused credit to the next tax year.)
you may increase your taxes owed in the year you bought the car -- if you do not have sufficient income to get the full credit -- by moving some money from a traditional IRA to a ROTH IRA. the amount you move during the calendar year may be adjusted, if you over-estimate.
you should consult with a professional, if you want to take advantage of the adjustment period, which runs until you file in the following winter or spring.
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:10 am

thankyouOB wrote:as to the repetition. it is not gratuitous.

Yes, it is. Your opinion is known. Please give it a rest.
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:12 am

Excellent. Thanks for the confirmation. We pay our taxes quarterly because my wife owns an LLC, the taxes for which pass through to our personal return, so I need to check with my accountant to see how that would work if I were to buy and get the EV credit. But, because of how that's handled I think that deepens my preference for leasing.
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:34 am

I wish had had known how badly the battery was going to degrade over time and moderate heat. Far more so that Nissan lead us to believe. And that the typicality range (73) would be considerably less than what Nissan advertised and claimed (100)...
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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:03 am

That I could have waited and bought a RAV4 instead :lol:

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Re: What do you wish you had known before purchase?

Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:10 am

thankyouOB wrote:
evnow wrote:
Oh BTW, ignore people who try to spread lies, like the above poster about "stealing battery". Reminds of how Obama is supposed to come and steal your guns.


nice.

Riddle me this, EVNOW:
How much is nissan going to pay you for your old battery core, when you trade in your battery to buy a new one?


Hard to say, is perhaps a decade into the future, assuming I even decide that I need to.
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