Durandal
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Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:21 am

I will be looking at a 2012 Leaf SL this week, 23,000 miles and 10 capacity bars left on the battery health gauge. I've purchased an ODBII bluetooth sensor (Veepeak VP11) in hopes of using LeafSpy on the Leaf when it arrives to look at battery health and such. My daily commute is 20 miles each way, and the GoM says a range of 70mi, but from my lurking on here, I should ignore the GoM. If it has lost 2 bars, then I should estimate a 15% loss in capacity? That would leave me with 20kwh? Anyhow, I'm guessing usable range to be 57-60 miles, depending on speed, etc, etc.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to joining the EV crowd. This is honestly to hold me over for about 4-5 years until I can buy a used Tesla M3. I've got a beater Honda Accord to drive when I've got to do longer trips. Sadly no charging available at work, but for emergencies there is a ChargePoint that's about 8 blocks away that I could park at if I had to.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

jkline
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:51 am

Cost? I hope it is about or under $8,000, which would be a decent price in this area.

I have a 2012, one bar missing, 79%SOH. At 100% charge I only have a tad more than 16 kwh of available juice according to LSpy. At 80% charge it is a tad over 14kwh. At 100% charge I have gone 63 miles and was expecting turtle to kick in. Those miles were mostly under 50mph. Freeway speeds really suck the juice. As will the heater. I would suggest installing TorC's heater mod, details are on this site.

I love the car. Every week it saves me at least $60 in fuel. I love depreciating assets that appreciate your bank account faster than they become worthless, which is why I think buying/leasing a newer Leaf is crazy. Just one man's opinion.

Darryl
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:16 am

My daily commute is 20 miles each way, and the GoM says a range of 70mi, but from my lurking on here, I should ignore the GoM. If it has lost 2 bars, then I should estimate a 15% loss in capacity? That would leave me with 20kwh? Anyhow, I'm guessing usable range to be 57-60 miles, depending on speed, etc, etc.


I think you are overestimating the capacity. The Leaf looses it's first bar at a 15% loss. With two bars showing you have a capacity of 78.75% to 72.5%. Leaf Spy will soon tell you.

You don't indicate your area. The SL model has a Chademo Quick Charging port. Is the Chargepoint near you Quick or Level Two. If Level Two you will only be able to charge at 3.6kw which gives you about 12 miles per hour of charging.

Do estimate your range to drop off quickly and see if it will still meet your needs to be on the safe side of purchasing.
2012 Nissan Leaf SL w 27500 miles. Lost two bars.

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:53 am

I'm getting it for $6000, accounting for my trade-in, which is where I think they are making their money. It is listed for $8,000. I'm in the Little Rock, AR area. My normal commute involves highway, but there are alternate routes that do not involve highway that adds about 4 miles of distance, but the average speed is 45mph instead of 70mph. Going anything less than 60mph on the freeway here is asking to get killed. I will have to do an A to B test to see which works better. I plan on doing 120v charging to 80% if possible, 90% or above if range anxiety gets to be too bad. Plugshare says there is a charging spot 2 blocks from my work, but I've not taken a look at it. I will swing by there after work today to see what the deal is. Plugshare says "ChargePoint Wall Outlet (120v), EV Plug (J1772)" so trickle charging during the day should work assuming there isn't much competition for the spots, and moving my car after I hit 80%. I will have to do more research on charging etiquette to make sure I'm not stepping on any toes.

I will check out the heater mod. In fact, I intend on doing any and all sorts of mods on it once the warranty expires. :D
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

jjeff
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:27 pm

^^^ $6k is a very decent deal, assuming your trade it isn't worth more than ~$2k. I agree about your 60mph, in fact I'd say that anything less than 70 is heading for trouble.....they really fly on the freeways :o
I have a '12 missing 2 bars(like the one your looking at) and with a 100% charge(actually doesn't go past 92%) I can get 60 miles at 65-70 mph with no problem in the summer, with much heat use in the winter(I live in the fridged north) that could drop to < ~40 miles. I'd also strongly suggest Thor's heater mod switch, without it you really have no control over when the energy hog heater comes on, if the temp is low and you want air to possibly defog/defrost the windows.
The '12 only has a 16a 240v L2 charger so expect only ~15%/hr of charging, of course a DC QC can get you to 80% in ~30 min. but they aren't as readily available as L2 or even L1 outlet chargers.
Once you get it you can play around with trying to get by with a 80% charge for your 40 mile commute, it would probably be close and would depend quite a bit on your driving habits and of course heater use.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

jkline
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:24 pm

What jjeff said. As I live in a hilly and often windy rural area, I only get about 40 miles at 70mph.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uq86hzcj802x4 ... 5.pdf?dl=0

I can't vouch for this. The numbers seem way better than my 11bar car ever gets.

Durandal
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Location: Central Arkansas

Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:44 pm

jkline, thanks for the range estimate chart based upon number of bars. Judging by that, the "expense" of going an additional 4 miles difference to let me go at 45mph and netting an additional 27 miles in range is better than going 65mph. I'm pretty experienced with hypermiling back when I had an 85 Honda CRX HF, I could squeeze 57mpg out of that thing using lots of coasting, drafting, etc and with the original motor having over 300,000 miles on it. It eventually gave up the ghost a few years ago.

jjeff, I have some air cooled seat covers I can use in the summer to reduce my air conditioner use, and I'm going to order TorC's heater mod tomorrow after I sign the paperwork on my Leaf.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

jkline
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:58 pm

Another thing: have the dealer make sure both batteries are charged. If the 2012 has been sitting for awhile, you might plan on buying a new 12v battery-- mine was toast. I charge that one weekly.

Charging that battery is my biggest annoyance with the Leaf. When I get a chance, I plan on rigging a quick plug in next to the main battery charger so I don't need to open the hood all the time.

jjeff
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:22 pm

Durandal wrote:js ago.
jjeff, I have some air cooled seat covers I can use in the summer to reduce my air conditioner use, and I'm going to order TorC's heater mod tomorrow after I sign the paperwork on my Leaf.

Personally I don't notice much difference in AC use on range, maybe 5 miles on a full charge?? where heater use seems to be more significant. Not that 5 miles might not make the difference between getting someplace or not but for the most part I don't really worry about using the AC, fulltime heater use is a different story, thats where the heater switch can really help.
After using the vehicle for a while you'll start getting a good handle on what it can or can't do. Being a '12 I think you'll find the most valuable addition will be something like a LeafDD or LeafSpy and a OBDII dongle, without it your at the mercy of the wildly varying GOM, something that will for sure give you range anxiety if your trying to cut things close.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

Durandal
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Location: Central Arkansas

Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:53 am

The dealership, which is 4.5 hours away from me is supposed to be delivering it this afternoon for me to test drive, so I'm hoping the ODB2 dongle I purchased works with Leaf Spy. I guess I'll find out in about 9 hours! Excited!
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

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