rosier9
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:19 am

Super Fun!

Just fyi, the AC draws at or just under 1kW at full blast and drops down to around 300 watts to maintain according to leafspy. Nothing like the 5kW from the heater.

powersurge
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:01 am

Durandal...

I am not trying to crush your dream of owning a Leaf... I think that you are trying to stuff 30 lbs. of tomatoes into a 10 lbs. bag here...

You say the you are buying a '12 Leaf with 2 bars missing for a 40--50 mile round trip work commute. You also say that you have to go 70 mph, and want to only charge it with a level 1 (120v) charger, and only charge it to 80% every night.. If you start a trip with that car at 80%, in 40 or so miles the battery will be at 20-25%, and you will already having range anxiety... Then, we have to also add the need for heat AND A//C in the winter to heat the car and run the window defogger..

My friend it is not going to work. A '12 Leaf with only 10 bars is undergoing what in the Elderly Care (old age) business is called "Terminal Decline". You need to assume that even if you can make your trip today, the range will SURELY decline in months or even a year, and the car will not be useful to you then.. Anyone who buys used Leaf (especially with 2 bars missing) has to assume that the car will soon (1-2 years) need a new battery replacement. If you do not have that in your plan AND budget.... Do not buy a used Leaf. And I only say that so that someday you don't write on this forum how the Nissan Leaf SUX...

I drive my car a lot, and when the range falls, I plan to have my wife, who stays at home, drive it only locally for errands. We will drive the Leaf until you can only go 20-30 miles, and then replace the battery. That is my Leaf battery plan.

Good luck,

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:47 am

I don't have to take the freeway. There is an alternate route that adds 4 miles each direction to the commute but drops the speed from being 65-70mph to being 45mph. If I can get 45-50 miles range out of it when traveling 45-50mph for at least 3 years, I will be happy. There is a L1 charger 2 blocks from my work, I checked it out yesterday. It is city owned, but I have to check to see if I can park there without getting ticketed or towed.

If I have to charge it to 100%, I will. I was just trying to stick within that magical charging range if possible.
I guess that the real crux of the matter is whether or not I can utilize the L1 charging that is by my work on a daily basis for long term use.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:50 am

As an extra note, I plan on installing a L2 charger at my home eventually, probably in a few months, depending on the costs involved with running 240v out to that point.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

jkline
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:49 am

Well, I wouldn't hesitate driving mine 40 miles/day at max 50mph at 80% charge. I look at mine as the perfect disposable car. My two ICE's get about 12mpg. I'm on track to save at least $2,500 in fuel this year. In three years, the car will have paid for itself. I doubt I'll ever buy a new battery for it-- I'll have my eye on a used Bolt by then, and this will either be a kids car or sold as is.

Would be nice if you could find an leaf with only one bar missing, or less. There are some out there. I almost got a 2013, but decided on a Leaf made in Japan.

jjeff
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:12 am

Durandal wrote:As an extra note, I plan on installing a L2 charger at my home eventually, probably in a few months, depending on the costs involved with running 240v out to that point.

You'd have a couple options for that. One would be to have your OEM EVSE upgraded by EVSEupgrade.com, for change over $300 you'd have a nice EVSE with the ability to limit the charging currents down to 6a. Another option which I'd be more inclined to do would be to purchase a cheap 16a L2 portable EVSE from either Amazon(I purchased and like a Ebusbar for $299 shipped) or either Tony here on MNL or VegasBrad also on MNL have similar models for around the same price or even less. To me the advantage of the Ebusbar or VegasBrad's models is they not only charge 240v but also 120v. The EVSEupgrade option also works on 120v but AFAIK Tony's model only works on 240v.

Another advantage to you for purchasing a second EVSE is if you have issues with one of them, you always have a backup. Not that I've ever had my EVSEupgrade'd EVSE fail, but it's always a possibility, that or theft. I also dislike always plugging and unplugging my EVSE, much easier to just leave one in the outlet(in my garage) and the other coiled in the car for emergencies. Personally I'd always want one in the car for emergencies, others may feel differently.

With your '12 you don't really gain anything by purchasing a EVSE that outputs more than 16a as thats as fast as your car can charge, 16a means a 20a circuit, although if your pulling new wire to your garage I'd might suggest installing a 30a circuit or maybe even a 40a as most newer Leafs can charge up to 27.5a, and require a 40 a circuit. That way if you eventually upgraded to a newer model you wouldn't have to pull new wiring which can be costly.

Lastly depending on what EVSE you purchase you might need to install a new plug, my Ebusbar came with a old style dryer plug and I simply installed a L6-30p plug. EVSEupgrade has also standardized on the L6-30p plug as I believe Brads model may be, not sure about Tony's but check for sure before you order. A L6-30p from Amazon can be had for <$10 but can cost >$25 if purchased locally. Outlets are also much better priced on Amazon and if you purchase the Ebusbar you'll need to make your own 120v to 240v converter plug to allow you to plug the EVSE into a standard 120v wall outlet, Brad sells such converter cables as I believe Tony does also and EVSEupgrade also does for sure.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:23 am

JJeff,

Thanks for the info! So far I'm quite impressed with the community here. :)
I was talking to my bro about the topic, he suggested running the biggest wire I can do to a sub box, and then running two 40amp outlets off of that, to allow for future expandability when I get a newer EV in the future to add to the family. (Probably will be a Tesla Model 3, assuming I can get a used one for a good price in 2020, otherwise a Volt for the wife in a year.)

I don't have a garage but instead a carport, so that puts all normal indoor chargers out of reach unless I build some sort of enclosure, but I'm getting ahead of myself at the moment. The car is set to arrive at my house this afternoon, so I'll get to test drive it and hook up LeafSpy to see what it has to say about the matter.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:55 am

powersurge wrote:Durandal...

I am not trying to crush your dream of owning a Leaf... I think that you are trying to stuff 30 lbs. of tomatoes into a 10 lbs. bag here...

Good luck,


Well, after calling around, it turns out that the charger nearby my work is available to the public (I wasn't sure it was at first) and then it also is free, EV charging etiquette applicable, of course. The past two days I've gone by it there is a Nissan Leaf that parks in one of the two slots, but they didn't have their Leaf plugged in at the time. So it looks like for those cold days or the days I have to use the freeway, I should be set.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

Durandal
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Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:50 pm

Drove it. Loved it. Bought it. It had 156 GIDs when they dropped it off, so it looks like it is about to drop to 9 bars. I'm Ok with that. With a 20 mile commute each way, and a charger near work, I should be set. :D
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

jjeff
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Location: MSP MN

Re: Possible 2012 purchase

Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:49 pm

Depending on when it was sold(not just made but first sold) you may be a good candidate for the battery lottery. If your down to 8 bars by 5 years from the sold date, Nissan may give you a new battery. My '12 is sitting on 10 bars and living in the north I doubt it will be down to 8 by the time the warranty expires mid next year, but you might luck out :)
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

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