Tsiah
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EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:59 pm

Hi everyone,
I'm Tyler, I've wanted an EV for years but always thought they were out of my price range til a week ago when my friend turned me on to a used 2012 leaf for $6,000. I couldn't believe how cheap they are used! I've been doing my homework and I decided I want to go 2013+ because they got the more efficient heater.

I have a 78 mile commute (round trip) 4 days a week. I'm spending more in fuel than a payment and cost of charging a leaf (my calculations came out to roughly a $50 increase in my power bill), so in my mind it just doesn't make sense to keep driving an ICE car.

My only concern is that I need to be able to charge at work in order to not be depleting the battery fully every day or worrying that I'll run it dead on my way home. One of the facilities guys at work told me they are talking about installing a charging station at our facility so that may work out for me.

I think I can get a 240 circuit pulled to my garage so I can install EVSE out there, but if not, I think overnight charging at 120v can get me the range I need.

I found a '15 S with 7,xxx miles, back up camera, and CHAdeMO charger connection for $11,180. I've also found some SL and SV models for about the same price but more miles.

Did the S get the better heater or was that only in the SV and SL? I read somewhere that the S still uses the less efficient heater... But haven't been able to find confirmation of that anywhere.

I would like to get a '16 with the 30kWh battery, but they're more expensive than what I want to spend. I think I'll make my move on the '15 and sell it in a year or 2 for something with the larger battery.

Anyway, thanks for reading my long post. I hope to join the fold and learn more with everyone about these sweet EVs!

oleviking
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:06 pm

My strategy was to lease a 2016 SV and look to buy it out at the end of the lease, which in 2019 should be quite cheap. It is under bumper to bumper warranty for the entire lease and I hope to end up with my total cost at about $14,000 or less.

magico13
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:12 pm

Tsiah wrote:Did the S get the better heater or was that only in the SV and SL? I read somewhere that the S still uses the less efficient heater... But haven't been able to find confirmation of that anywhere.


The S does still have the old resistive heater instead of the heat pump. Where are you located (roughly)? Below about 20F from what I remember the two heaters are about the same, but the heat pump is noticeably more efficient for moderate temperatures like 40 or 50F. Your commute is <40 miles each way so if you can for sure charge at work then you'd probably be fine with the resistive heater, especially if you just use the heated seats+steering wheel and keep the heater off except to defog. If your commute isn't all highway you'll have even better luck.

Also, it's a good idea to check out https://www.plugshare.com to see if there are any chargers along your route as a backup. For my commute there is a free L2 charger and a paid L3 quick charger in case of really bad/cold weather.

Note that I just purchased my leaf and haven't actually done my commute yet in bad weather, so I can only speak of what I've found in my research. Hopefully some more experienced drivers chime in as well.

Leasing a 2016/2017 S is also an option, you can get them for fairly low rates and the 2017s come with the bigger battery pack (and supposedly there are 2016 S models that have the bigger pack as well)
2015 SV w/ QC

Tsiah
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:19 pm

I won't lease a car, that's the most expensive way to drive a car, I don't really have money to put down on one right now and I don't want to pay for extra mileage at the end of the lease.

I live in Utah, most of the winter is mid 20's. My commute is down hill to work, up hill back home. There's a few charging stations (free L3 charging at the Nissan dealer just a few miles from work) between here and home.

I don't like to keep the car super warm anyway, so I shouldn't have an issue with the heater draining the battery.

Is there any other reason to go for an SL or SV other than the nav? Can I still start the HVAC in the S with my phone?

LeftieBiker
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:26 pm

With your commute, until you have reliable charging at work, you don't want a pre-'16 Leaf. You have three options: lease a 30kwh 2016/2017 SV or SL, or wait for reliable work charging. Otherwise your best bet is a Volt. Leasing a Leaf is not as expensive as you think, and with the low residual you can then afford to buy the car when the lease ends, for roughly $12k or less. They are really trying hard to move the remaining 2016 Leafs, and you can get a better car and a better deal if you find one. Just don't get an S in your climate! Even with the larger battery they got after August (?) the S will have less range in typical Winter weather.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

Tsiah
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:39 pm

I don't like Chevy's... And the Volt still has all the maintenance I don't want. The whole idea of going EV is the get away from the gas, oil changes, spark plugs, timing belts, water pumps, etc. :D

A lease on an SV adds $125 to my payment... Which negates my reason for going to an EV.
A payment on an $11,000 loan is roughly $150 plus $50/month to my power bill puts me at $200/month. I'm spending $180/month on fuel at $2/gallon, plus other vehicle maintenance stuff and the possibility of leaks, blown head gasket (just went through that on my Forester... Which is why we have an odyssey now.)

I could sell my legacy and get something that gets more than 26mpg, but I'm still going to be feeling the hurt when gas hits $4/gallon again.

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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:16 pm

What's wrong with this picture? We have a (long time) Leaf owner telling a prospective buyer to get a Volt...and the (soon to be new) Leafer had to explain why that's a terrible idea!!
Stick with your plan and get a (older) used Leaf; you've run the numbers. Your "secret sauce" is that (free) L3 charger down the street at the Nissan dealer; the "top-off" time will be so short you might even be able to work it in at lunch some days.
2011 Blue Ocean SV w/floor mats & window tint
12v LiFePO4 battery & FIAMM 74100 horns
Wet Okole seat covers (front)
Tor's low-power heater mod
2013 sun visor
3G modem upgrade
L2 EVSE Upgrade
Battery Pack replaced (Rev E) @51 months and 41k miles

LeftieBiker
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:24 pm

Sure, get a (now less than) 24kwh Leaf for that commute. We look forward to reading about your many adventures in running low on, or out of, power. I won't even say "I told you so."
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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silverone
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:56 pm

Tsiah wrote:I don't like Chevy's... And the Volt still has all the maintenance I don't want. The whole idea of going EV is the get away from the gas, oil changes, spark plugs, timing belts, water pumps, etc. :D


I'm an owner of both and can see the argument either way. With the Volt, you'd be using so little gas (depending on climate) that it wouldn't matter much to maintenance or otherwise. My 45,000 mile Volt has about 1,500 miles on the ICE, and you'd probably not be using much more with a Gen 2 and slightly more with a Gen 1. At this rate I change tires as often as I change oil (every 2 years).

On the other hand, my recent experience with the LEAF suggests that a non-degraded battery would easily be good enough for quite some time. I'm ending up with 25-50% SOC remaining after my 35 mile one way trip depending on elevation change in low temperatures, but I have reliable charging on both ends (and nothing in the middle). I was earlier advised here against a slightly degraded LEAF due to my commute. It does require more planning and less spontaneity when you have little range left after arriving home.

I'm glad that I still get to experience both.
2013 SL with Premium package - build date 5/13. 12 bar car with 45,000 miles and counting... Will be a challenge for the first bar to last to 50,000 miles!

2014 Volt - 46,000+ miles

Tsiah
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Re: EV newbie, still shopping but I love the leaf!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:09 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Sure, get a (now less than) 24kwh Leaf for that commute. We look forward to reading about your many adventures in running low on, or out of, power. I won't even say "I told you so."



Well the one I'm looking at is 1 year old with 7k miles. I dont think there's much degradation in the battery just yet. I'm not going to buy one unless I can charge at work so I shouldn't have issues with range, even with some degradation in the pack.

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