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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:52 pm

Hi. Well, you have an adventurous spirit. Your trip is totally doable, but I'm wondering why not use more QC? There's a lot more nowadays.

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More info would be helpful. From where in MA to where in VT? I'll guess Milford Nissan, as your description sounds like Guy Bedard.

It's cold enough that you can QC hop without overheating the pack, and they're well spaced. Best to stay on the old highways.

The L1 that comes with the car only adds ~4 mph, but in an emergency, 120 outlets are everywhere, if people are kind enough to let you use them.

But QC is so much faster than L2, I really recommend you try to route with them.
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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:55 pm

Or if you may encounter bad roads


The thing about a mid-january drive through VT is that I'm pretty much guaranteed bad roads (and temps below freezing.)

I've seen the recommendation to up the tire pressure. I'll make that decision Sunday morning at my parents based on that day's weather forecast.

Luckily for me the MA dealer put mud&snow tires on the front. I mean, luckily for my traction, not my mileage...
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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:11 pm

More info would be helpful. From where in MA to where in VT?


DNAinaGoodWay: the car is at Country Nissan out in Western MA (Hadley, right near I91)

For the first day I'm headed through Keene NH (where there are 2 L2's but no QCs) because it's more direct than following I91 and we need a place to eat lunch anyway.

For the second day my big jump (and the one that makes me most nervous) is that vacant stretch of I89 between Manchester and White River Junction. It's a lot more than 50 miles between those two cities, and it's a charging desert. If you turn on L2's in your search you'll see a couple in Concord, the B&B in Henniker, and more in Lebanon.

So that's my problem. If I can't make it from Henniker to WRJ I can easily stop at an L2 in Lebanon, but there are no QCs out there, not even at Nissan dealerships.

And yeah, there are lots of QCs in Northern VT! There are both L2's and QCs at my final stop before home. But it's only 14 miles from there to my house, so I'll probably pick my charge speed based on cost and how much juice I really need at that point.

(and I'm not just driving up 91 to home because this is my one big chance to show off my new EV to my parents who are EV curious but have never seen one in person. So yeah, there's a little of that built into my trip, too)
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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:04 pm

Ah, I see! Hadley to Northern VT by way of Manchester NH. That's a route less taken. But still doable. There's a comment in Lebanon that it was 67 miles from Concord and I'll bet you could do that without even going to Henniker. 50 miles is safe, but you'll probably find you can get 60-70 miles with no problem. Should be in the 40s Friday and still 30s over the weekend so you'll mostly be on the heat pump when you use it. In winter clothes you'll find the seat heater is plenty most of the day. Without LeafSpy, a good rule of thumb is ~ 7-8 miles from LBW to VLBW, then about 4 miles to turtle, and I'll bet you get 60 miles at least from full to LBW. But stopping at every EVSE you can never hurts if you have the time, and you're only making this trip once, so the cost is just part of your adventure. Take your time, you'll get a feel for it. Soon, you'll instinctively know how many miles away any destination is.
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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:46 am

On second look, Henniker is worth the $10, but I would skip 89 and go through Bradford, Newbury, and Sunapee, then use Rt. 10 that follows 89.

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There's not even a home Plugshare around there, but that way is under 50 miles and avoids highway speeds. One of the beauties of EV travel is using the old roads and seeing places you'd fly by on a highway.
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'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 AHr
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 AHr


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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:12 am

Luckily for me the MA dealer put mud&snow tires on the front. I mean, luckily for my traction, not my mileage...


Snow tires on the front only is fairly common, and I've done it. However, it's much more dangerous than it seems. On slippery roads the front will keep its grip, but the all-seasons (or worse) in the rear will sometimes lose theirs. The result is the car's tail trying to pass its nose, and the car going sideways or even into a spin. It's insidious because you can avoid it for years, and then get nailed by it. I had it happen on my old Camry: good snows on the front, good all-seasons on the rear, but the highway was slick, and I got a strong West wind hitting the car almost directly sideways. It tried to spin several different times in the course of about a mile. Each time I fought it straight again, thinking it was a fluke, and...it happened again. White knuckle city! From then on it was snows on all four wheels, or none at all.

If you have Ecopias or anything other than all-season tires that look exactly like snow tires on the rear, be very, very careful.
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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:21 am

skip 89 and go through Bradford, Newbury, and Sunapee, then use Rt. 10 that follows 89


DNAinaGoodWay: Thank you for this is excellent route advice! And also for this:

a good rule of thumb is ~ 7-8 miles from LBW to VLBW


I'm thinking that if I get to Lebanon and haven't seen the LBW yet that I can safely push through to the QC in White River Junction - it's only 6 miles between them. I'm hoping not to run past the VLBW though!

LeftieBiker:
The result is the car's tail trying to pass its nose, and the car going sideways or even into a spin.


Yup. Vermont is notoriously bad at clearing the back roads in snowstorms and since I often move the old tires to the back wheels and buy new tires for my front wheels I have experienced this. Honestly even the mud & snows on the front aren't great winter tires. I think once we get the car home we'll probably put THEM on the rear wheels and better snow tires on the front. I just gotta get it here first...
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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:33 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Hi. Well, you have an adventurous spirit. Your trip is totally doable, but I'm wondering why not use more QC? There's a lot more nowadays.

IMG_6260.JPG


More info would be helpful. From where in MA to where in VT? I'll guess Milford Nissan, as your description sounds like Guy Bedard.

It's cold enough that you can QC hop without overheating the pack, and they're well spaced. Best to stay on the old highways.

The L1 that comes with the car only adds ~4 mph, but in an emergency, 120 outlets are everywhere, if people are kind enough to let you use them.

But QC is so much faster than L2, I really recommend you try to route with them.


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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:57 am

And those are just CHAdeMOs, filtered out the stand alone CSS and Tesla.

I'm trying to get Plugshare to add a filter for Stations by rating. You know, their 0-10 system. I'd like to filter out the ones that are problematic.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

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@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 AHr


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Re: Driving my CPO Leaf 233 miles home

Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:00 am

Becky, from Keene, stop at the QC in Manchester before you see the folks. It's a good one. Then you can top up overnight.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 AHr
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 AHr


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