jjeff
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Location: MSP MN

Re: Anchorage, Alaska - too crazy?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:12 am

LeftieBiker wrote:If you do buy a 2011 (or 2012, which run only a bit more when degraded and is more likely to have the cold weather package) look into insulating the heating lines and tank, blocking the grille in Winter, and adding the available "Off" switch for the heat, which otherwise runs whenever the climate control is on and it isn't actually hot outside. That will buy you some range.

+1 and also note, in your cold climate the battery will probably not deteriate much if at all from when you buy it. Degradation mainly happens when the pack gets hot, think AZ, TX or FL, not AK :lol: My '13 still has all bars and has lived in MN all it's life.
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AKElectric
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Re: Anchorage, Alaska - too crazy?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:23 am

jjeff wrote:My '13 still has all bars and has lived in MN all it's life.


Oh wow, that's much better than I expected. If it works out that way for me, it really changes the equation for potential resale value.

powersurge
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Location: Long Island, NY

Re: Anchorage, Alaska - too crazy?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:54 am

I think that with that kind of driving, and the fact that you seem like a guy who likes to keep your car as long as you can..... Time is your enemy. Odds are that you will buy a used Leaf. The car will have an already-deteriorating battery in it. If you only drive 5000 miles per year, time will deteriorate the battery faster than you build up the miles. Then you are in a situation of having to replace batteries ($5k), and need to determine of what did it cost you PER MILE. If you got a new Leaf, then the equation may be better.

I have a low mileage 2001 Honda Odyssey minivan with only 60k miles. We only use it for around the neighborhood for shopping, to carry all the family together, and to haul plywood and crap from Home Depot... I have no plans, in the next 10 years or more, to get rid of it because it serves its short-trip function perfectly. Gas cost per year is not an issue. Insurance cost per year is nothing due to age of vehicle and low miles driven. Maintenance is not an issue... One oil change per year, tires last 10 years, and no repairs except maintenance. --- I would not own a Leaf for that purpose because in 16 years of ownership and 60K miles, I would now be on my 3rd of 4th Leaf battery (at $5,000 a pop). Not a good long term investment.

I Think that the best use of a Leaf or any EV is to use it as much as possible, even a 24-hour running taxi, which will use the battery potential to its highest.

Reddy
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Re: Anchorage, Alaska - too crazy?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:22 pm

AKElectric wrote:I assume based on your example if my battery deteriorated to 5 bars that would mean a 15 mile range at 0F. That would work, but would make me a bit nervous about it dropping any further. I've heard of Leafs with fewer bars than that already, so I'd need to make extra sure I get one with 10 bars or more. It would be sweet to find one with a battery replaced under warranty, but that seems fairly unlikely for a 2011, and even more unlikely they'd sell for only $5,000. One of the things that makes the 2011 attractive to me comes from my ability to tolerate quite a bit of battery deterioration in my personal situation.
Once you get the Leaf to AK, I really doubt you will see any battery degradation due to temperature. However, you will see "calendar" degradation, but this is much, much less than thermal degradation. I see basically zero degradation from Nov-Mar (although this may be just the information not being updated so that LeafSpy can read it).
Reddy
2011 SL; 10 bar, 48.82 AHr; 35,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
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LeftieBiker
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Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: Anchorage, Alaska - too crazy?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:35 pm

It's really an open question how much an '11 or '12 battery will continue to deteriorate in Alaska. Don't go by those with 2013 Leafs, because unless they have an early '13 build, their packs have a chemistry that resists age deterioration much more than does the earlier chemistry.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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