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Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:50 pm

Great forum! Been reading for a week or so and decided to join.

I live in rural Arizona (Northeastern Arizona). I live in a small tourist community called Show Low (elevation 6500 ft ASL). I just found out I was offered a job at a Indian Health Services Hospital which is about 35 miles from my residence. This daily commute would be 4 days a week x 52 weeks a year with approximate 10 hours a day spent at work. I used Google Maps to plan my commute so I know the distance and elevation changes. The trip from my door to the hospital is 33.9 miles. From my home to the highest point along the trip is an elevation gain of 1,200 feet and this is done over an 18 mile stretch. From this point, I descend 2,200 feet for another 16 miles. Of course, the return trip would be just the opposite (2,200 ft ascent for 16 miles and 1,200 ft descent for 18 miles.) The total commute is going to be 68 miles.

I am not sure if I'll have charging options at work, but because of my status at work, I'm sure they would provide me with charging of some kind (even if its 120V).

BTW, approximately 3 months out of the year, the low temp is 20-30 degrees Fahrenheit and the other 9 months of the year are moderate with the low in the 50's and highs in the 90's.

Considering purchasing a 2015 Nissan Leaf S. Is this doable?

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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:30 pm

I think you would have a hard time making the round-trip commute without charging @ work. Now...if you can plug in (even with only 120V) at work, you'll be fine.
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Sounds doable to me. I just did a 70 mile round trip with a 2,200ft elevation climb then descent and made it back home with 18% left.

But that was at 55mph, with no heater or AC and 12 capacity bars.

However, you say you can charge for 10 hours at at least 120V. That ought to add 50% battery charge. So on good days you'd use less than 50% to get to work, and be able to charge up to 100% if you wanted. Or on cold or hot days you'd use a little more (60 or 70%) and then you'd have to charge back up to 80% or 90% to get back home.

If you can get a 240V charger at home and at work you could preheat/cool and not have to use as much heat or cool on the road.

It sounds like by you'd start having range problems if you lost more than 3 capacity bars and really liked your heater/ac. But since you're in the cooler part of Arizona and you're looking at a 2015 you should be able to get several years out of your Leaf before that happens.
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:40 pm

If I'm reading right the elevation difference is about 1000ft between home and work, is that correct? My round trip commute is 70 miles total but instead of one climb I have several smaller up and down climbs and a total elevation difference of about 500 ft. Total elevation change is over 5000 ft on my commute. What goes up must come down. I can make the drive, plus 5-10 miles around town pretty easily without using the CC on a single charge. When using the heater I have to charge at work, no need to charge using the AC but I haven't experienced full summer yet. Speeds vary from 30mph to 80mph and my average point to point speed is 35-45 mph depending on traffic.
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:50 pm

Realistically speaking, if you don't want to have a Leaf Owner's Nightmare, you have to have reliable workplace charging. 120 volts is fine, as long as you are ok with unpacking (or just unloading/reloading) the charging cable (aka "EVSE") twice a day. Don't listen to people who say to go ahead with that round trip without recharging, because while it's possible, it isn't something you want to do daily, or even weekly - unless you enjoy daily "challenges" like that. Too many people buy a Leaf and then end up hating EVs because of the limited range, especially at freeway speeds and in Winter.
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:52 pm

The first 18 miles are through a rural small town (two lanes in each direction). I'll be driving at about 5am in the morning. The posted speed limit varies between 35-45mph. Once I hit the downhill stretch, it's 55mph, but you can go slightly faster.

I'd really like to take care of the battery, so I'd like to charge to a max of 80% and not go below 20%. I foresee having to make this trip for the next 3-5 years. I'd like to make the car last.

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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:54 pm

VitaminJ wrote:If I'm reading right the elevation difference is about 1000ft between home and work, is that correct? My round trip commute is 70 miles total but instead of one climb I have several smaller up and down climbs and a total elevation difference of about 500 ft. Total elevation change is over 5000 ft on my commute. What goes up must come down. I can make the drive, plus 5-10 miles around town pretty easily without using the CC on a single charge. When using the heater I have to charge at work, no need to charge using the AC but I haven't experienced full summer yet. Speeds vary from 30mph to 80mph and my average point to point speed is 35-45 mph depending on traffic.


The 1000 ft change is net. I rise 1000 ft and then drop 2000 ft.

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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:56 pm

What you really want for this commute, especially over years, is a 30kwh Leaf. Look for a leftover or used 2016 SV, so you also get the range-enhancing heatpump heater. A 30kwh Leaf S would also work.
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:59 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Realistically speaking, if you don't want to have a Leaf Owner's Nightmare, you have to have reliable workplace charging. 120 volts is fine, as long as you are ok with unpacking (or just unloading/reloading) the charging cable (aka "EVSE") twice a day. Don't listen to people who say to go ahead with that round trip without recharging, because while it's possible, it isn't something you want to do daily, or even weekly - unless you enjoy daily "challenges" like that. Too many people buy a Leaf and then end up hating EVs because of the limited range, especially at freeway speeds and in Winter.


From talking to the hospital, it sounds like I'll have at minimum 120v charging. Of course I'll have 120v at home (I'm good with electrical and will likely install a 240v unit.

I don't like "challenges." I'd like to go a different route (petrol) if it can't be safely done without a huge amount of hassle. When temperatures drop, I'll also be fighting snow. I can't afford to be stuck and found frozen to death.

I'm in a rural setting with windy roads. I don't see myself ever going over 65mph

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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:37 pm

offtosleep wrote:The first 18 miles are through a rural small town (two lanes in each direction). I'll be driving at about 5am in the morning. The posted speed limit varies between 35-45mph. Once I hit the downhill stretch, it's 55mph, but you can go slightly faster.

I'd really like to take care of the battery, so I'd like to charge to a max of 80% and not go below 20%. I foresee having to make this trip for the next 3-5 years. I'd like to make the car last.

Actually it's the stop and go rural that seems to hurt the range the most in my experience. The fewer stop signs and stop lights the better.

55mph is a good speed to go the range you need. 65mph uses considerably more energy than 55mph. But if you go much slower than 55mph while using heat or AC then you end up using more energy for the length of time that is left on.

On the heater note you might want a heat pump (SV or SL, but not the S) to improve winter range while using the heater.
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